2024 Draft Thread

[bullus_hit]

The Port/GWS/North trade sounds like it would be a complicated one. I've come up with:

Rich - Give 10 & 11; Get 2
PA - Give 13 & 29; Get 10 & F2/3
GWS - Give 16 & 21; Get 11 & 29
NM - Give 2 & F2/3; Get 13, 16 & 21

North then trade two of those picks for Saints' 7 or 8. Saints can't be involved in the original trade as their purportedly making their own bid for Pick 2.

Not sure if I like this trade - what do others think?

Alternatively, being a fan site it is my duty to propose:

Rich - Give 10, F2 & F4; Get 2, 13, 16, maybe a couple of F1s

PA, GWS & NM - who cares?

i know I'm alone here but I would be ok trading 10 & 11 for pick 2, it prevents Carlton from taking O'Sullivan and probably pushes Smillie up to pick 3. That gives Richmond Smith / Langford at pick 6 and lands us 3 A grade talents. I like the depth at 10 & 11 but all of those players aren't purebred mids, I think in the scheme of things finding a rebounder like Travaglia or a utility like Lindsay not an impossible task in future drafts. Finding another athletic speedster with elite kicking is a different story, I consider this to be one of the more elusive parts when formulating a winning combination.

 

[tigertough12]

The Port/GWS/North trade sounds like it would be a complicated one. I've come up with:

Rich - Give 10 & 11; Get 2
PA - Give 13 & 29; Get 10 & F2/3
GWS - Give 16 & 21; Get 11 & 29
NM - Give 2 & F2/3; Get 13, 16 & 21

North then trade two of those picks for Saints' 7 or 8. Saints can't be involved in the original trade as their purportedly making their own bid for Pick 2.

Not sure if I like this trade - what do others think?

Alternatively, being a fan site it is my duty to propose:

Rich - Give 10, F2 & F4; Get 2, 13, 16, maybe a couple of F1s

PA, GWS & NM - who cares?

Richmond are not giving up 10 & 11

 

[Scoop]

Unless we get North's 25F1, no deal on anything. I'm not paying fair price for 2, I want overs. 1,6,10,11 is fine.

 

[Little Ziggyadee]

That knob shifter reckons everyone a star
Compares pick 75 to Bontompelli

T they need me.
*He is a gun
*He wins his own ball
*He is a dud
*He isn't worth pick 199
*No chance

 

[Leysy Days]

not on that deal as it's just unrealistic . The second deal i showed would be the closer option to reality. There is absolutely no gain for them doing that deal . People are unrealistic and this happened before the trade period what people were blowing out of their arses for Rioli, Bolton and Baker and then add the crap for the JGTI FA expectations. Then when the normal closer to reality surfaces then everyone will change and hale Blair the King although the obvious took place. I'm obsessed with points bc it's a benchmark which puts us closer to reality if used correctly.

Incorrect.

Outside when clubs are obtaining points for academy/father sons etc - It is actually no benchmark at all. It actually leads to an incorrect value of picks in the real world.

It is why it is being overhauled.

 

[Tiggy Train]

The thing is, neither of those deals will happen though. To give up 2, North want Tauru or potentially they may be ok to get Armstrong as a backup. They will need a pick higher than 10 to get them, so there is nothing in it for them.

As others have said repeatedly on here, if North trade for 2, then 6 will have to be included. I can't see any other way to get it regardless of points values, because frankly, they don't care about points values. It does give a benchmark, but its not the driving reason to do any trade, so isn't the primary method to assess value for any trade.

EXACTLY SO WHY ARE YOU BEING ARGUMENTATIVE AS IT'S *smile*?

 

[Tiggy Train]

Incorrect.

Outside when clubs are obtaining points for academy/father sons etc - It is actually no benchmark at all. It actually leads to an incorrect value of picks in the real world.

It is why it is being overhauled.

Sorry points are still used as clubs try and come up with even deals or deals where they think it's a win win situation. They are a measuring standard and until something replaces them clubs will use them as guides

 

[Tiggy Train]

Once again points mean nothing Brisbane's pick 20 was worth 985 points Richmond gave up 1,700 points to get it.

That was a pathetic trade and it's been done to death .

 

[mrposhman]

Sorry points are still used as clubs try and come up with even deals or deals where they think it's a win win situation. They are a measuring standard and until something replaces them clubs will use them as guides

I would hazard a guess that clubs don't use the points index at all. Its irrelevant when the clubs involved have differing reasons for sliding and rising in the order. You are obssessed and willing to die on a hill that doesn't make sense.

 

[Leysy Days]

Sorry points are still used as clubs try and come up with even deals or deals where they think it's a win win situation. They are a measuring standard and until something replaces them clubs will use them as guides

Incorrect again. Can tell you they are not.

 

[Tortured Tiger]

Incorrect again. Can tell you they are not.

Yes exactly, clubs are purely looking at what players are available at a certain pick and what that club requires to part with that pick. Points are meaningless now unless your are matching academy or father son bids.

 

[Tiggy Train]

Incorrect again. Can tell you they are not.

Can you prove that they are not or it;'s just you making stories up? Of course they do and it may only be in a small percentage of deals, but they do? So incorrect again

 

[Tigertool]

Sorry points are still used as clubs try and come up with even deals or deals where they think it's a win win situation. They are a measuring standard and until something replaces them clubs will use them as guides

No they are not. There is zero argument for what you are saying. Not sure how clear others need to be with you.

Points have a single purpose - F/S and NGA academy bidding. The points system you are trying to use is being used entirely incorrectly. There is absolutely zero points consideration for those clubs being discussed as trades.

None. Nada. Zilch. Zero. Zip.

 

[Tiggy Train]

I would hazard a guess that clubs don't use the points index at all. Its irrelevant when the clubs involved have differing reasons for sliding and rising in the order. You are obssessed and willing to die on a hill that doesn't make sense.

THEY do to a certain extent as it's a benchmark or guide. You are being obtuse.

For instance if we go to North and say we'll trade you PICK 2 and F2=28 for 10 and 18 North can come back at us and say no as we are out by 814 points which is pick 24. How about we do the deal without a F2 . Then we may as for a F3 and negotiate a deal. You're being narrow minded on the matter and out of your depth i believe. Are you Blair? lol

 

[Tigertool]

Can you prove that they are not or it;'s just you making stories up? Of course they do and it may only be in a small percentage of deals, but they do? So incorrect again

Show us a single pick trade between two non NGA or F/S clubs where the club manager came out and said they were happy at the points surplus they accumulated in the trade.

 

[Dyer'ere]

Points will be very interesting next year. The overhaul was very significant. Getting points for FS/Academy players is going to get a lot harder.

BTW we did profit from the old system remaining in play for this year but nowhere as much as Brisbane did. Had it been just us whingeing about a change in 2024 the AFL would have poured it to us. Instead they had the darling Brisbane to snuggle up to.

 

[Brodders17]

Can you prove that they are not or it;'s just you making stories up? Of course they do and it may only be in a small percentage of deals, but they do? So incorrect again

Good news. GWS have offered us 16 & 21 for pick 6. we win the deal by about 200 points so i expect we will take it in a flash.

 

[mrposhman]

THEY do to a certain extent as it's a benchmark or guide. You are being obtuse.

For instance if we go to North and say we'll trade you PICK 2 and F2=28 for 10 and 18 North can come back at us and say no as we are out by 814 points which is pick 24. How about we do the deal without a F2 . Then we may as for a F3

There is no way, that Blair rings up Thursfield, offers a deal, and Thursfield goes, "hang on mate, I've got to check the points calculation".

You are calling others obtuse, when you can't look in the rear view mirror and see that its actually you that are barking up the completely wrong tree.

Maybe change your name back, it probably suited you better

 

[Tiggy Train]

No they are not. There is zero argument for what you are saying. Not sure how clear others need to be with you.

Points have a single purpose - F/S and NGA academy bidding. The points system you are trying to use is being used entirely incorrectly. There is absolutely zero points consideration for those clubs being discussed as trades.

None. Nada. Zilch. Zero. Zip.

see my example ok as they are used and cut your obstinance out in the process .

 

[mrposhman]

Good news. GWS have offered us 16 & 21 for pick 6. we win the deal by about 200 points so i expect we will take it in a flash.

Don't stop there. I hear those picks in the 40;s have some pretty juicy values.