2024 Draft Thread

[btoz_01]

I hate to think what this thread is going to be like in another couple of weeks!

It’ll be 1000+ pages by draft night

 

[mrposhman]

I hate to think what this thread is going to be like in another couple of weeks!

On draft night, its going to be old mate saying we've screwed everyone else on points value with the trades that we do.

 

[Tiggy Train]

No, you said they were getting shafted due to the points value, indicating improve the points value and it would be ok. Lets remove 18 and use 2 picks in the mid 20's. Better points value, does that make it better for North? In your view of using the points value index then I guess yes, but for me (and the list managers) then I doubt it, as those picks would probably be AFTER the players that North are after, so who cares what the points value is, they simply don't care.

They will compare offers for 2, based on the player they want 1st (if thats Tauru) and what extra they might get out of it, and weigh that up against the risk of someone taking Tauru between 2 and 6. There is nothing else for them to consider other than do they think the upside of the extra pick is worth the risk they take on that the player they want (assume Tauru) is taken before their pick. I'd hazard a guess that they don't even take a glance at the points value index, they already know what they want from any deal to compensate for the extra risk they take on, rather than just taking Tauru at 2.

it was a guide showing how pathetic the deal was that poster was suggesting and it didn't matter how you looked at it , it was terrible. Then you just started adding your two bobs worth and later contradicted yourself. As i said the points system was a guide or benchmark to indicate a value of deals. You tried to make out that i was only relying on this as my source for pick trades. It isn't as it's impossible to get them equal for starters and both parties need to be happy as well.

 

[MD Jazz]

if your going to look at goals you have to add games from all competitions. vfl, academy, champs, school and coates.

lalor kicked 7 in a school game, 3 in a champs game. fos kicked 2 in vfl from one game when jagga kicked none form 3 etc. cant just look at one competition.

Why not include the backyard and training as well?

 

[Tiggy Train]

No, you said they were getting shafted due to the points value, indicating improve the points value and it would be ok. Lets remove 18 and use 2 picks in the mid 20's. Better points value, does that make it better for North? In your view of using the points value index then I guess yes, but for me (and the list managers) then I doubt it, as those picks would probably be AFTER the players that North are after, so who cares what the points value is, they simply don't care.

They will compare offers for 2, based on the player they want 1st (if thats Tauru) and what extra they might get out of it, and weigh that up against the risk of someone taking Tauru between 2 and 6. There is nothing else for them to consider other than do they think the upside of the extra pick is worth the risk they take on that the player they want (assume Tauru) is taken before their pick. I'd hazard a guess that they don't even take a glance at the points value index, they already know what they want from any deal to compensate for the extra risk they take on, rather than just taking Tauru at 2.

and you're still adding crap on which is not relevant to what i was saying as all your stuff is fiction. i was just commenting on the deal made by poster and North would never do it. You already agreed on this earlier.

 

[MD Jazz]

No I am not a liar. I am not trying to be misleading. I don't see what that achieves. Anyone can cross-check. I included all games played including championships. Lalor kicked 4 from 3 this year in championships. Although I disagree, you were the one who suggested to look at all games over the years not just this year. So why exclude championships? Personally I would have thought performance playing against the best would be even more important (although smaller pool size). I like Lalor at #1, I think he's more of what we need first-up. I think he has a higher ceiling and I think his defensive skills and ability to go forward and take big grabs is lacking for us. Yes, there's risk with every player. You like Smith. Fair enough, your value are different. It's called opinion. I would be happy to get Smith if he was still at #6. Don't sweat, your life isn't hanging in the balance (I hope).

My original post was a reply to bengal after his pot shots at Jagga's reluctance to shoot for goal and his general ineffectiveness. Including all Coates/U18 games sees them about the same in goals per game. But you can see lalor or FOS being used forward of the ball more than Jagga at AFL level given their size etc. And Jagga's greater effectiveness inside the contest. It's all moot really.

I am not potting Lalor or FOS, they both look potential stars of the AFL. They have plenty of the right attributes. I hope we draft both. And I hope we get Smith as well, I just find the criticism of Smith pretty flimsy when you watch his endless highlights and look at the stats.

My life is going OK and will be OK regardless of who we draft and how the RFC goes for the next few decades. The bigger risk to my mental health is my continued poor chipping & putting.

 

[Don’t Argue]

It’ll be 1000+ pages by draft night

How many points is that?

 

[WesternTiger]

Once again points mean nothing Brisbane's pick 20 was worth 985 points Richmond gave up 1,700 points to get it.

That’s disgusting!

 

[Tiggy Train]

Pick two is a must, but it would prove to be very difficult to achieve. Our pick 6 & 10 are required.

The deal that i think would be fair is 6,10 for 2 and F2(28)

AFL Draft Pick Value Calculator - Draftguru

I STILL WOULDN'T DO IT, BUT IF IF IF IF WE WANT LALOR and FOS then it's a must.

 

[Redford]

My original post was a reply to bengal after his pot shots at Jagga's reluctance to shoot for goal and his general ineffectiveness. Including all Coates/U18 games sees them about the same in goals per game. But you can see lalor or FOS being used forward of the ball more than Jagga at AFL level given their size etc. And Jagga's greater effectiveness inside the contest. It's all moot really.

I am not potting Lalor or FOS, they both look potential stars of the AFL. They have plenty of the right attributes. I hope we draft both. And I hope we get Smith as well, I just find the criticism of Smith pretty flimsy when you watch his endless highlights and look at the stats.

My life is going OK and will be OK regardless of who we draft and how the RFC goes for the next few decades. The bigger risk to my mental health is my continued poor chipping & putting.

Get your right hand over.

 

[tigertime2]

Essendon looking to trade back into the draft. Shanahan is their target.

 

[Spirit of Jack]

If we can seriously get pick 2 and not give up 6 - boy oh boy wow wee. If we can get three of Lalor, FOS, Draper, Langford, Smith and Smillie - that is absolutely bananas.

 

[TigerPort]

The deal that i think would be fair is 6,10 for 2 and F2(28)

AFL Draft Pick Value Calculator - Draftguru

I STILL WOULDN'T DO IT, BUT IF IF IF IF WE WANT LALOR and FOS then it's a must.

6 for 2 is good

10 for F2(28) is very bad for us.

Forget about points. They have no relevance in assessing this trade

North want the trade. thF2 is useless to us trading out of a first round pick in a strong draft to get a mid second round pick in a weak draft, which, potentially, will move out into the mid 30s

North - again they are seeking this trade - need to come up with their 2025 first to get us interested

 

[mrposhman]

it was a guide showing how pathetic the deal was that poster was suggesting and it didn't matter how you looked at it , it was terrible. Then you just started adding your two bobs worth and later contradicted yourself. As i said the points system was a guide or benchmark to indicate a value of deals. You tried to make out that i was only relying on this as my source for pick trades. It isn't as it's impossible to get them equal for starters and both parties need to be happy as well.

I didn't disagree with the trade due to pick value though as IT HAS NO RELEVANCE. You seem to think it has the most relevance based on your most recent trade suggestion. It has basically no relevance whatsoever, but you still stating that points value this and that, and then saying others are just using "fiction" even though what we are saying is much closer to reality than the crap you keep posting.

 

[Brodders17]

Forget about points. They have no relevance in assessing this trade

Points not relevant? How come no one has said this before!

 

[Turbo]

If we can seriously get pick 2 and not give up 6 - boy oh boy wow wee. If we can get three of Lalor, FOS, Draper, Langford, Smith and Smillie - that is absolutely bananas.

Unpopular opinion I would take, Langford, Draper and Lalor, these 3 are dynamite

 

[mrposhman]

The deal that i think would be fair is 6,10 for 2 and F2(28)

AFL Draft Pick Value Calculator - Draftguru

I STILL WOULDN'T DO IT, BUT IF IF IF IF WE WANT LALOR and FOS then it's a must.

OMG, 1 minute - I use pick value for "benchmarking".

Nek minnit - you come up with a ridiculous trade based on points value but taking nothing further into the discussion.

Firstly, 1 - you are using 2024 points value for the future pick, even though the points are worth significantly less - but you are using this as a guide for whats "fair" from a points value so you don't even know how to use the 2 indexes correctly.

Secondly - Everyone knows that the top picks in this draft are fairly even, so it comes down to pick preference (an intangible that you can't get from any points index). So as some of us have said before the "pick premium" if you want to use the index, will be much smaller than getting into the top 25 (which you called disgusting because again you only look at points instead of the intangible of the actual players available).

We wouldn't do this trade, not because of the pick premium paid (which on your ratings aren't much, but would be greater if you actually used the right index) but because those 2 picks IN THIS DRAFT, are better than what we would expect out of 2 (a marginal increase on 6 - ie. we get to choose our top pick, rather than choosing from the leftovers) vs the move from 10 (in a strong draft) to a mid to late 2nd in what seems like a weaker draft. The reason why we would turn this down (much like the previous one with North) isn't because of draft pick value, but BECAUSE THOSE INTANGIBLES THAT YOU CAN'T VALUE ARE WORTH MORE TO US THAN ANY PICK VALUE DIFFERENCE.

 

[daniel30]

10 and 11 for 2 I'm not doing that draft is to deep and players will slide.

 

[Tigertool]

OMG, 1 minute - I use pick value for "benchmarking".

Nek minnit - you come up with a ridiculous trade based on points value but taking nothing further into the discussion.

Firstly, 1 - you are using 2024 points value for the future pick, even though the points are worth significantly less - but you are using this as a guide for whats "fair" from a points value so you don't even know how to use the 2 indexes correctly.

Secondly - Everyone knows that the top picks in this draft are fairly even, so it comes down to pick preference (an intangible that you can't get from any points index). So as some of us have said before the "pick premium" if you want to use the index, will be much smaller than getting into the top 25 (which you called disgusting because again you only look at points instead of the intangible of the actual players available).

We wouldn't do this trade, not because of the pick premium paid (which on your ratings aren't much, but would be greater if you actually used the right index) but because those 2 picks IN THIS DRAFT, are better than what we would expect out of 2 (a marginal increase on 6 - ie. we get to choose our top pick, rather than choosing from the leftovers) vs the move from 10 (in a strong draft) to a mid to late 2nd in what seems like a weaker draft. The reason why we would turn this down (much like the previous one with North) isn't because of draft pick value, but BECAUSE THOSE INTANGIBLES THAT YOU CAN'T VALUE ARE WORTH MORE TO US THAN ANY PICK VALUE DIFFERENCE.

I honestly almost thought he was trolling with that latest pick trade hypothetical

 

[btoz_01]

Essendon looking to trade back into the draft. Shanahan is their target.

Essendumb should’ve held onto 9 they’d have got to late firsts for it