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2024 Draft Thread

RFC takes Lalor, Player X (say Smillie), Armstrong, Allan. Not a bad haul. And so we sweat NMFC. 10+18 is all we have to offer. Maybe 10+24.

If we knew Player X was going to Melbourne at #5 I think we'd hit harder at #2. Maybe we will.

Picks 5-10 are starting to get out.
If North is as keen on Tauru as appears to be, they're not swapping 2 for 10. Too risky. Has to include 6 for any chance of a deal and I can't see us giving that up. When's the draft? I'm fretting.
 
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One other small thing I noticed with Jagpipes in that interview, is his face is starting to fill out a bit i.e. he's beginning to put a bit of weight on.

He referenced that need and said "when I build up" or something to that effect. Good.
Lalor is sharing his donuts!
 
Wrong. Those picks drop after bids on Ashcroft etc.

It would be Smith, Smillie, Tauru, Hotton, Dattoli, Gross, M Whitlock, Faull
Another one that doesn’t understand the system.

I’ll repeat it again… it’s doesn’t matter when bids are done on academy & father/sons.. the same pool will still be there. 🤷‍♂️
 
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Another one that doesn’t understand the system.

I’ll repeat it again… it’s doesn’t matter when bids are done on academy & father/sons.. the same pool will still be there. 🤷‍♂️
TBH is right. Those academy and f/s players are included in the rankings. Brisbane, GC, Ess move in to those picks which slides everything else back.
 
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I just don't like reading mis-leading crap. These are the summary totals for each playuer for their Copates League careers.

Jagga played games 2023 & 2024
Lalor played in 2022, 2023 & 2024
FOS played in 2023 & 2024

Jagga averaged 0.7 goals per game in his Coates league career
Lalor & FOS 0.5 goals per game.

Please tell me where you got your stats. Did you include u18 champs matches perhaps? Or?

I listed their Coates league career stats. I noted that's what I was displaying in my original post. Their Coates league careers. I reckon that is the fairest measure wit the most data.

Where did your stats come from? Are you being deliberately disingenous?

Statistically, one player is a standout. He wins on almost every important measure. Durability - tick. Conested Poss - tick. Clearances - tick. Score Involvements -tick. Goals - tick.

You watch highlights reeels and his highlights are better than almost all others. He has special ball winning abilities. Composure in traffic. Evasiveness. Decision making. Everything I see screams AFL player.

I am surprised at how divisive he is on here. Not sure where you got your numbers but the above are from Rookie me Central. I only put them up because the knock (knocks really) have related to his "impact". In particular a serial knocker potted his goal scoring, noting he alwayts wanted to give the ball off rather t6han taking the shot. yet he averages more goals per game than trhe 2 guiys seen as more damaging. Who, correct me if I am wrong, actually played more of their Coates league carreers forward of the ball than Jagga? Yet Jagga appears to have more scorebaord impact than any other player in the Coastes league. Unless the stats are somehow wrong?



Jagga
Total - 351 353 688 96 0 0 71 0 0 102 28 15 22 16.0 16.0 31.3 4.4 0.0 3.2 0.7 214
Last 2 years. Ave goals bolded and underlined - 0.7 per game (15 goals from 22 games)

Lalor
Total-18313231560009700721981611.48.319.73.80.06.10.5228
Ave - 0.5 per game (8 goals from 16 games)

FOS
Total-14710824654004600661661212.39.020.54.50.03.80.5164
Ave - 0.5 goals per game (6 goals from 12 games)
No I am not a liar. I am not trying to be misleading. I don't see what that achieves. Anyone can cross-check. I included all games played including championships. Lalor kicked 4 from 3 this year in championships. Although I disagree, you were the one who suggested to look at all games over the years not just this year. So why exclude championships? Personally I would have thought performance playing against the best would be even more important (although smaller pool size). I like Lalor at #1, I think he's more of what we need first-up. I think he has a higher ceiling and I think his defensive skills and ability to go forward and take big grabs is lacking for us. Yes, there's risk with every player. You like Smith. Fair enough, your value are different. It's called opinion. I would be happy to get Smith if he was still at #6. Don't sweat, your life isn't hanging in the balance (I hope).
 
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I just don't like reading mis-leading crap. These are the summary totals for each playuer for their Copates League careers.

Jagga played games 2023 & 2024
Lalor played in 2022, 2023 & 2024
FOS played in 2023 & 2024

Jagga averaged 0.7 goals per game in his Coates league career
Lalor & FOS 0.5 goals per game.

Please tell me where you got your stats. Did you include u18 champs matches perhaps? Or?

I listed their Coates league career stats. I noted that's what I was displaying in my original post. Their Coates league careers. I reckon that is the fairest measure with the most data.

Where did your stats come from? Are you being deliberately disingenous?

Statistically, one player is a standout. He wins on almost every important measure. Durability - tick. Conested Poss - tick. Clearances - tick. Score Involvements -tick. Goals - tick.

You watch highlights reeels and his highlights are better than almost all others. He has special ball winning abilities. Composure in traffic. Evasiveness. Decision making. Everything I see screams AFL player.

I am surprised at how divisive he is on here. Not sure where you got your numbers but the above are from Rookie me Central. I only put them up because the knock (knocks really) have related to his "impact". In particular a serial knocker potted his goal scoring, noting he alwayts wanted to give the ball off rather t6han taking the shot. yet he averages more goals per game than trhe 2 guiys seen as more damaging. Who, correct me if I am wrong, actually played more of their Coates league carreers forward of the ball than Jagga? Yet Jagga appears to have more scorebaord impact than any other player in the Coastes league. Unless the stats are somehow wrong?



Jagga
Total - 351 353 688 96 0 0 71 0 0 102 28 15 22 16.0 16.0 31.3 4.4 0.0 3.2 0.7 214
Last 2 years. Ave goals bolded and underlined - 0.7 per game (15 goals from 22 games)

Lalor
Total-18313231560009700721981611.48.319.73.80.06.10.5228
Ave - 0.5 per game (8 goals from 16 games)

FOS
Total-14710824654004600661661212.39.020.54.50.03.80.5164
Ave - 0.5 goals per game (6 goals from 12 games)
if your going to look at goals you have to add games from all competitions. vfl, academy, champs, school and coates.

lalor kicked 7 in a school game, 3 in a champs game. fos kicked 2 in vfl from one game when jagga kicked none form 3 etc. cant just look at one competition.
 
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Hmmm. 18 and 20 for 8 maybe. You'd have to think about it. That could be Lindsay.

If we don't trade for 2, that could make our 1st 3 picks, Lalor, Smith, Lindsay. Would be a pretty good trio to start with and then see who is still there when we hit 10 and 11. 5 picks inside the 1st 11 would be very juicy indeed.

We'd still have 23 and 24 at the back end to draft talls. I can actually see us sliding 24 back if we take a tall (lets say Faull) at 23, with the aim of taking 1 of Mraz or Sims probably in the late 30's, and pocket the extra picks for next year.
 
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rumour on BF from a reputable dude that we're having discussions with Port involving pick 10..... no idea why
 
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I'm happy pick 6 is off the table but what about 10 & 11 for pick 2, straight up deal, no other picks involved. I would be doing that deal personally, maybe not to North's liking as Tauru might be gone but I'm wondering if a third club could help out in getting them up to pick 7.
No way am i shifting those 2 picks, they offer us flexibility in a decent draft. Leave Other Clubs with only 1/2 picks & make them make the hard calls on who they want & pray that it works out. We have many needs & the picks we have are a decent start to a rebuild. If any trades are done, flip the last 1/2 picks for future 1sts as Clubs will be desperate for those. After all, we could very look back & say that, as it looks atm, the kid we get at 6 could be better than the one we'd have gotten at 2 & the 10/11 picks will also be decent players. Norf traded out of this draft, 1st pick aside, that's their problem not ours. Clubs have been desperate to trade into this draft, as have we, so i can't understand why anyone is keen for us to now trade out of it.
 
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if your going to look at goals you have to add games from all competitions. vfl, academy, champs, school and coates.

lalor kicked 7 in a school game, 3 in a champs game. fos kicked 2 in vfl from one game when jagga kicked none form 3 etc. cant just look at one competition.
Naw, these don’t matter. Coates League is what matter 75% , champs 20%, school 5%.
 
TBH is right. Those academy and f/s players are included in the rankings. Brisbane, GC, Ess move in to those picks which slides everything else back.
Yes but these players were never really available to any other club so whilst technically in the pool they are in effect quarantined and irrelevant to all but the clubs they are tied to. So whilst we all move back when these players are bid on and subsequently matched the pool of players available to every club has not changed.
So whilst the number at which we take our picks change the pool from which we draft hasn’t changed.
 
Smillie is our big question.

Here on PRE we've seen his 2024 form and rated accordingly.
But where does the club sit? Infatuated or pragmatic?

Top picks Lalor FOS Smith Draper Langford.
Pick 6 could be too short.
Then its Reid Lindsay
Pick 10 could be too short.

What if we shifted 6 into 2, and 10 into 8 (or 7)
We then get 2 of the top 5 crop, and 1 of the second tier.

But if we rate Smillie in the top crop we dont need 2.
Or if we rate Smillie in the second tier we dont need 8
 
Yes but these players were never really available to any other club so whilst technically in the pool they are irrelevant to all but the clubs they are tied to. So whilst we all move back when these players are bid on and subsequently matched the pool of players available to every club has not changed.
So whilst the number at which we take our picks change the pool from which we draft from hasn’t changed.
Sure, but there was a comparison to the rankings on rookie me.
And those rankings included the f/s and academy. So we have to adjust accordingly
 
Smillie is our big question.

Here on PRE we've seen his 2024 form and rated accordingly.
But where does the club sit? Infatuated or pragmatic?

Top picks Lalor FOS Smith Draper Langford.
Pick 6 could be too short.
Then its Reid Lindsay
Pick 10 could be too short.

What if we shifted 6 into 2, and 10 into 8 (or 7)
We then get 2 of the top 5 crop, and 1 of the second tier.

But if we rate Smillie in the top crop we dont need 2.
Or if we rate Smillie in the second tier we dont need 8
Are all the Tauru bets off? We get a top mid with North reaching.
 

Are all the Tauru bets off? We get a top mid with North reaching.
If they reach.

But they might bunker down and take FOS or Lalor, either of which would sit on their hff and help fill the departure of LDU.

I,m pragmatically considering the options
 
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