Melbourne has that by a whisker for me. Fritsch and Pickett just awful in this regards.
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2023 Grand Final - Pies v Lions ... Australia Mourns!
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Melbourne has that by a whisker for me. Fritsch and Pickett just awful in this regards.
Murphy can play. McCreery has speed. H-E can have moments. What if they win it again next year?
I'm sure lots of punters said, and still say the same, about a number of tigers premiership heroes. But a number have 3 premiership medals!
Surprised at the denigration of the Pies premiership. They were the best side of the year, deserved their flag. Their coach is a breath of fresh air and they appear to have great camerarderie in theior group. You don't win a flag without it.
Every year without fail when a team wins the flag, the f***wit AFL media talk it up as the next dynasty.
Footscray and Melbourne spring to mind as howling recent examples.
Never seen a bunch of people from a given profession so at ease with consistently making tools of themselves (politicians aside).
Footscray and Melbourne spring to mind as howling recent examples.
Never seen a bunch of people from a given profession so at ease with consistently making tools of themselves (politicians aside).
Or they just write whatever sells. There is no accountability on any predictions.
Mana to the supporter group of whichever club they call a dynasty.
Or outrage to everyone else.
Though to be fair Melbourne should have had a dynasty with that midfield and defence. Horrific key positional player selections and selfish forwards who haven’t changed their ways have lead to them shooting themselves in the foot.
You also get the better win it now or you are toast. And the it was an accidental one with us.
The accidental flag: Richmond must strike and win 2017 premiership before their secret to success is solved
Shock tactic that could earn an accidental flag
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Yep, every single side that wins the flag is going to go back to back. You’d think that as only one team since 2015 has actually done it might get them to cool their jets a little in this.
McCreery yes I've seen him have some decent games and relies on his speed but is too inconsistent, overall just an average player. Murphy granted can play.
We were young, and no one thought much about role players on top of our elite talent. We set the benchmark for pressure all over the ground. Forward handball game. Chaos footy etc, hence 3 premierships. Stil say the same? anyone saying that is either a hater or knows SFA about footy. Dynasty teams don't get branded for being average etc
Pies are the second oldest team behind the Cats. 10 players over 30. I called it on the dees and cats too and now I'll call it on the pies. They won't win it next year, they played their best footy in the first half of the year and stumbled across the line in the finals. To many average players, dees dominated them in QF 69 inside 50's to 37 but couldn't kick straight. GWS got dudded on some calls.
Fly and Leppa are great coaches who got the best out of that group but as I mentioned they don't have anything in their kit bag that screams out we are dominating the comp for the next 3-4 years.
The Pies are branded worst premiership side because of so many average players and winning 3 finals by a combined 12 points.
Look at this premiership forward/ruck line. You wouldn't want to be a backman playing on this lot
Gives me hope going into 2024 with Yze and Newy!!!
Frampton - terrible
Miocheck - serviceable
McCreery - average
Elliott - past his best
Hill - good pick-up
Ginnivan - average
Cox - average
Cameron - average
The weakest top 4, dees, and power out in straight sets, lions one win from 12+ attempts on the G and let's face it pies were there for the taking, lions played too safe. almost scared to lose type of football and still only lost by 4 points. But no matter what anyone says including me they won it and in their eyes that's all that counts.
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Agree, yet I don't recall the same media talking Richmond up after 2017. Was more like "what a fluke, how the hell did they win a flag, will be another 37 years before they win another with that list" ' LOL
Brisbane have been flaky AF ever since Fagan took over.
There’s something missing in his approach. Some steel missing from his teams.
Conversely, Collingwood just play with the desire and intensity of 1000 suns. For that alone they deserve the flag. No issue from me.
There’s something missing in his approach. Some steel missing from his teams.
Conversely, Collingwood just play with the desire and intensity of 1000 suns. For that alone they deserve the flag. No issue from me.
I've had a couple of days to digest the great Australian tragedy.... (topped off by Oz sports other most unlikeable team Penrith!)..... and can only find solace in one thing.... they didn't beat us!
It's all over now and I can't wait for our new era to begin.
It's all over now and I can't wait for our new era to begin.
True we'll pick up some players but as a team we went away from what made us freaky good, our standards dropped, so I'd say the coaching aspect of it is of greater importance, and us getting Yze and Newy I can see them turning the ship around. The game plan, better drilled, structures etc. Hand in hand with the talent on our books.
This is the equivalent of Hartley's outstanding 2016, one off-season can make a huge difference.
The difference is, in 2017, we had one of the most dominant finals series of all time and won the prelim by 7 goals and the GF by 7 goals.
There's no disputing that.
Collingwood won their prelim and GF by a collective 5 points.
You can wax lyrical about Collingwood as much as you want, but that's a flip of the coin (or an umpires whistle) between premiership and irrelevance.
Richmond also went on to be the best side of the next 3 years, almost unbeatable for 2 of them.
It remains to be seen whether Collingwood can do that.
I very much doubt it.
Prestia, Caddy, and Nank, brilliant by Hartley. But our game plan changed also, our ethos changed, the connection between players all interconnected in helping us win the flag.
I can see us perhaps getting max 2-3 players in trade and free agency, Koschitzke, perhaps Harmes, theres been talk of Snelling etc
Kosi yes, the others I'm lukewarm about, Harmes too old and Snelling a run of the mill small forward.
Agree Kosi young key marking foward..alongside Lynch he could be a weapon.
But Harmes seriously,
And Snelling, Bring back George or Farts
McCreery yes I've seen him have some decent games and relies on his speed but is too inconsistent, overall just an average player. Murphy granted can play.
We were young, and no one thought much about role players on top of our elite talent. We set the benchmark for pressure all over the ground. Forward handball game. Chaos footy etc, hence 3 premierships. Stil say the same? anyone saying that is either a hater or knows SFA about footy. Dynasty teams don't get branded for being average etc
Pies are the second oldest team behind the Cats. 10 players over 30. I called it on the dees and cats too and now I'll call it on the pies. They won't win it next year, they played their best footy in the first half of the year and stumbled across the line in the finals. To many average players, dees dominated them in QF 69 inside 50's to 37 but couldn't kick straight. GWS got dudded on some calls.
Fly and Leppa are great coaches who got the best out of that group but as I mentioned they don't have anything in their kit bag that screams out we are dominating the comp for the next 3-4 years.
The Pies are branded worst premiership side because of so many average players and winning 3 finals by a combined 12 points.
Look at this premiership forward/ruck line. You wouldn't want to be a backman playing on this lot
Gives me hope going into 2024 with Yze and Newy!!!
Frampton - terrible
Miocheck - serviceable
McCreery - average
Elliott - past his best
Hill - good pick-up
Ginnivan - average
Cox - average
Cameron - average
The weakest top 4, dees, and power out in straight sets, lions one win from 12+ attempts on the G and let's face it pies were there for the taking, lions played too safe. almost scared to lose type of football and still only lost by 4 points. But no matter what anyone says including me they won it and in their eyes that's all that counts.
100% agree with this post. Collingwood are the weakest premiers in years. maybe even since the crows back to back of 97-98.
Collingwood winning their 3 finals by a combined 12 points would have to be some type of record?
Don't forget the QF by 51 points. The Pies were lucky to beat Melb in their QF.
It's hard not to think it's at least in part due to him never playing the game at the top level.
