2023 Draft Thread.

[eZyT]

Nate caddy Running 6.50 2km at the moment.

That is so not first round athleticism IMHO.

Its not that far off a rule a line through em time?

By comparison, Ethan Reed GC 203cm would literally almost lap Caddy

Big red flag for me. Chicken Pox or not,

excuses are for 2nd and 3rd rounders.

Ditto Moir

 

[bengal tigers]

Compare the pair:

Logan Morris, 192cm fwd (Coates Team of the Year FF)
Coates league: 11.7d 4.8m (2c), 3g (10 games)
u18 champs: 12d 5.3m (1.3c), 1g

Heath Ollington 190cm fwd
Coates league: 15.6d 5.4m (1,5c), 2g (13 games)
u18 champs; 17.5d 5.5m (2c), 1g

HO gets up the ground a lot, more than Morris I'd say based on the champs but I haven't seen his Coates games. Knowing what a good mark Morris is, I was a bit surprised how well HO's stats compared marking-wise, and I was already a big fan.

I guess another comparison could be ,if Morris played next year in the coates league and champs as a top ager.
Morris played 2 matches in the back line in the champs ,Morris is a decent player .

 

[tigersnake]

I guess another comparison could be ,if Morris played next year in the coates league and champs as a top ager.
Morris played 2 matches in the back line in the champs ,Morris is a decent player .

I agree Morris is a decent player. I'm wary of him because he plays like a traditional KF but he isn't tall enough to do it at senior level. My objective was not to suggest Morris is not a decent player, my objective was to show that a player who is not rated stacks up against a player who is rated.

The overage thing is a factor sure, but considering we aren't talking top 20 picks, there's Covid, and the player is performing well regardless of whether he is 18 or 19, I'm having a good look. To me the only explanation for just how far under the radar he is in relation to his performances, the only explanation is the overage factor. I'll be interested in his testing results.

 

[Scoop]

That is so not first round athleticism IMHO.

Its not that far off a rule a line through em time?

By comparison, Ethan Reed GC 203cm would literally almost lap Caddy

Big red flag for me. Chicken Pox or not,

excuses are for 2nd and 3rd rounders.

Ditto Moir

Josh Gibcus 6 minutes and 38 seconds.
Jacob Van Rooyen 6 minutes and 45.
Noah Balta 6 minutes and 50 seconds.

How many tall buildings can Ethan Reed clear in a single bound?

 

[tigersnake]

I agree with most of this, my groupings are 1-5, 6-15, 16-30. Taking out pick 5 and lumping it in the 6-15 bracket probably underselling the importance of that pick, I think one can be distracted by the Polecs & Setterfields when it really comes down to targeting the right types and minimising the bust potential. Even at pick 4 there's been some shocking howlers, Tambling over Buddy, Toumpas over Wines/Macrae, Morton over Dangerfield/Rioli, Morabito over Cunnington etc.

The main observable change over the past decade has been the increased likelihood of landing an A grade forward in the 6-15 bracket, I think that is a better reflection of the bust potential. There was a time when clubs would make some big reaches, the Doggies spent big on Jarrod Grant & Tom Williams who would probably have gone late first round if drafted this decade.

My groupings are based purely on the numbers, but as we've said, they are a bit outdated and things have probably improved at the top end and may very well be closer to your take.

 

[bullus_hit]

Josh Gibcus 6 minutes and 38 seconds.
Jacob Van Rooyen 6 minutes and 45.
Noah Balta 6 minutes and 50 seconds.

How many tall buildings can Ethan Reed clear in a single bound?

Darcy Fogarty 7.33
Cam Rayner 7.57

Caddy is in the safe range.

 

[bengal tigers]

I agree Morris is a decent player. I'm wary of him because he plays like a traditional KF but he isn't tall enough to do it at senior level. My objective was not to suggest Morris is not a decent player, my objective was to show that a player who is not rated stacks up against a player who is rated.

The overage thing is a factor sure, but considering we aren't talking top 20 picks, there's Covid, and the player is performing well regardless of whether he is 18 or 19, I'm having a good look. To me the only explanation for just how far under the radar he is in relation to his performances, the only explanation is the overage factor. I'll be interested in his testing results.

Morris is only 1cm shorter than Jack,he can out mark player's a lot taller,has strong hands ,has played VFL,and kicked a couple in his only match.
Covid is not a excuse anymore ,young player's have had a good couple of year's of football.
Trezise was one who suffered through the covid years ,and player's who are around the 21-23 mark

 

[tigersnake]

Josh Gibcus 6 minutes and 38 seconds.
Jacob Van Rooyen 6 minutes and 45.
Noah Balta 6 minutes and 50 seconds.

How many tall buildings can Ethan Reed clear in a single bound?

Read runs a sub-6 minute I heard, from a 202cm Ruckman! Don't have the official figure though. Its not a fatal knock, Jack was no Usain Bolt, but if I'm a 192 fwd I wouldn't like to be lapped by a 202cm ruckman

 

[tigersnake]

Morris is only 1cm shorter than Jack,he can out mark player's a lot taller,has strong hands ,has played VFL,and kicked a couple in his only match.
Covid is not a excuse anymore ,young player's have had a good couple of year's of football.
Trezise was one who suffered through the covid years ,and player's who are around the 21-23 mark

Fair enough, you want to draw a line through HO because he's 19, I see an opportunity. I'm not convinced of Morris' agility and ground ball game, particularly considering his height.

We disagee on the covid factor, thats fine, still a big factor IMO. Current draft crop were u15s and 16s, critical development phase.

 

[eZyT]

Josh Gibcus 6 minutes and 38 seconds.
Jacob Van Rooyen 6 minutes and 45.
Noah Balta 6 minutes and 50 seconds.

How many tall buildings can Ethan Reed clear in a single bound?

Which ever way you cherry pick,

6.50 is a *smile* 2k time scoop

 

[bengal tigers]

Fair enough, you want to draw a line through HO because he's 19, I see an opportunity. I'm not convinced of Morris' agility and ground ball game, particularly considering his height.

We disagee on the covid factor, thats fine, still a big factor IMO. Current draft crop were u15s and 16s, critical development phase.

I prefer top age player's as rookies ,or not at all unless they have played a few VFL games and been good.
We both might be pissing up a tree ,the club might go someone like Freijah if he was there.
He can be a third forward while developing ,he can also play Wing /in the guts ,he's a late 18 year old,his best is very very good,but lacks consistency ,has a bit of a me me about him .
In saying that,l sort of think he will be gone before our pick .

 

[bullus_hit]

Which ever way you cherry pick,

6.50 is a *smile* 2k time scoop

Read is an outlier, I wouldn't be using him as a yardstick, he does have the makings of a gun ruck, but that doesn't mean Caddy can't nail down a key position. I'd say there will also be some improvement once a few preseasons are under the belt.

From memory I recall Darcy Cameron being glacial slow at draft age, he needed about 6 years in the system to get up to speed. It is possible to build a tank but it's also risky as we've seen with Collier-Dawkins.

 

[Redford]

Looks like Caddy is climbing.

 

[eZyT]

Read is an outlier, I wouldn't be using him as a yardstick, he does have the makings of a gun ruck, but that doesn't mean Caddy can't nail down a key position. I'd say there will also be some improvement once a few preseasons are under the belt.

From memory I recall Darcy Cameron being glacial slow at draft age, he needed about 6 years in the system to get up to speed. It is possible to build a tank but it's also risky as we've seen with Collier-Dawkins.

Agree.

My point all along has been Caddy is overpriced in the top 10.

Id like him at 20.

Love him at 30

 

[Willo]

Looks like Caddy is climbing.

Up or down?

 

[bullus_hit]

Agree.

My point all along has been Caddy is overpriced in the top 10.

Id like him at 20.

Love him at 30

Which gettable tall forwards do you have in front of him?

 

[eZyT]

Which gettable tall forwards do you have in front of him?

None really.

But ive always been a best available in first round man

 

[spook]

Can't see us getting a first-rounder. Let's get an extra second and get two of Edwards, Stevens and Simpson.

 

[bullus_hit]

None really.

But ive always been a best available in first round man

He isn't without risk but I reckon he comes with a small premium this year, the tall forward market showing signs of scarcity and Tasmania will ensure it won't get any easier.

 

[Scoop]

Which ever way you cherry pick,

6.50 is a *smile* 2k time scoop

Cherry pick lol. Compared to him guys at our club and someone who performed in year 2.

If he was at Southport he’d be Royce Hart 2.0 lol.