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10,000,000 Cousins threads [Merged]
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Re: Cousins injured!
It is pretty ironic isn't it that only player get a hefty suspension for a misguided attempt to use steroids to overcome a long term injury while another gets a slap on a wrist for using illegal substances. Just seem like their might be some truth to that old malicious rumour that different rules only apply depending on who you play for.
nwonash said:
It is pretty ironic isn't it that only player get a hefty suspension for a misguided attempt to use steroids to overcome a long term injury while another gets a slap on a wrist for using illegal substances. Just seem like their might be some truth to that old malicious rumour that different rules only apply depending on who you play for.
Re: Cousins injured!
The headline on 10 news tonight " Cousin's Comeback on Ice".
No, I didn't make it up
The headline on 10 news tonight " Cousin's Comeback on Ice".
No, I didn't make it up
Re: Cousins injured!
Cousins has never tested positive to any form of drugs what so ever, he is where he is now because West Coast noticed the change in his behavior and forced him to make a decision, its funny though, Justin Charles was caught blatantly cheating, but that's alright, he's one of ours, there's a perfectly good explanation for it, the only club in the league to have a cheat play for them, should the club have done more for him? Should the club have been fined for him? Should the club be stripped of premiership points because of him? Should the club have been stripped of it's first round picks that it so easily gives away because of him?
Cousins has never tested positive to any form of drugs what so ever, he is where he is now because West Coast noticed the change in his behavior and forced him to make a decision, its funny though, Justin Charles was caught blatantly cheating, but that's alright, he's one of ours, there's a perfectly good explanation for it, the only club in the league to have a cheat play for them, should the club have done more for him? Should the club have been fined for him? Should the club be stripped of premiership points because of him? Should the club have been stripped of it's first round picks that it so easily gives away because of him?
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I look at both sides of the story and I do understand where Justin Charles was coming from, but my beef is with supporters who like casting stones at other clubs, with only hear say to back them up, on face value Cousins has done the wrong thing but with no conviction, he along with the his family, the AFL and the West Coast Eagles have done all that they can to get his life back on track, the best thing for him now would be to resume his football career but supporters of other clubs seem to think he should continue to be punished and have more obsticles put in front of him to keep him from moving forward. Cousins has completed all that has been asked of him, he has missed 13 games, he has taken a massive pay cut and will pay the costs of his rehab, not to mention the black mark against his name and character, it's time he was allowed to move on. As for my loyalty, it's one thing of mine that can never and won't be questioned by other supporters, most who wear rose coloured glasses!happytige said:
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Thing with Cousins that urks is yes his family (esp Dad) have been fantastic, but he is yet to even publicly acknowledge he has a problem. His comment that he had issues with "substance use" pretty much summed it up. Also I refuse to congrats him on being great enough to pay for his own rehab, everyone else would have to as a matter of course, and the fact that people are congratulating him for this baffles me.
On "he was never proven wrong" I have two things to say. Firstly the fact that he was never caught was a sign of the p1ss weak AFLPA approved drug policy which had minimal testing and with most of it at predictable times. Any player with a clue would know when to use ice, as it only lasts a short time in your system. My gripe therefore is with the system on this one, and the fact we need a more strict drug policy.
Secondly, he may never have been caught, but he was that far gone he was banished by the club DESPITE the fact they had known he was lying to them about his drug use for at least a year. To reach that point, he must have been pushing it pretty hard to the point where the club couldnt ignore the effects anymore.
The WCE have been desperate to get him back solely because they need him on field, do we really believe they care about him as something other than an onfield asset? They only dropped him when his abuse was beginning to interfere with training, so lets not pretend these guys care. The AFL just want to move on and pretemd the whole thing didnt happen.
Talon said:
Thing with Cousins that urks is yes his family (esp Dad) have been fantastic, but he is yet to even publicly acknowledge he has a problem. His comment that he had issues with "substance use" pretty much summed it up. Also I refuse to congrats him on being great enough to pay for his own rehab, everyone else would have to as a matter of course, and the fact that people are congratulating him for this baffles me.
On "he was never proven wrong" I have two things to say. Firstly the fact that he was never caught was a sign of the p1ss weak AFLPA approved drug policy which had minimal testing and with most of it at predictable times. Any player with a clue would know when to use ice, as it only lasts a short time in your system. My gripe therefore is with the system on this one, and the fact we need a more strict drug policy.
Secondly, he may never have been caught, but he was that far gone he was banished by the club DESPITE the fact they had known he was lying to them about his drug use for at least a year. To reach that point, he must have been pushing it pretty hard to the point where the club couldnt ignore the effects anymore.
The WCE have been desperate to get him back solely because they need him on field, do we really believe they care about him as something other than an onfield asset? They only dropped him when his abuse was beginning to interfere with training, so lets not pretend these guys care. The AFL just want to move on and pretemd the whole thing didnt happen.
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The AFL not the West Coast is at fault. Why wouldn't West Coast want to play him, he's handy.
The AFL should have the policies and procedures in place where such a laydown case is not even open for discussion. It clearly doesn't and doesn't look like it will any time soon.
Demeatheads job is to put those policies and prodecures in place so that the issues take an obvious course. Instead he reacts to every media story by wanting to get personally involved in shop floor issues. He wants to meet Cousins before he plays, he wants to have a chat with Didak, he wants to make comment on individual clubs playing styles, he want to call the shots on rule changes. Does he think there is no-one else in the whole industry capable of making a decision. The man is a management minnow.
If the AFL had a proper drug policy and testing procedure the Cousins issue would have come to a head a lot earlier with a rather less debatable outcome.
It always starts at the top.
The AFL not the West Coast is at fault. Why wouldn't West Coast want to play him, he's handy.
The AFL should have the policies and procedures in place where such a laydown case is not even open for discussion. It clearly doesn't and doesn't look like it will any time soon.
Demeatheads job is to put those policies and prodecures in place so that the issues take an obvious course. Instead he reacts to every media story by wanting to get personally involved in shop floor issues. He wants to meet Cousins before he plays, he wants to have a chat with Didak, he wants to make comment on individual clubs playing styles, he want to call the shots on rule changes. Does he think there is no-one else in the whole industry capable of making a decision. The man is a management minnow.
If the AFL had a proper drug policy and testing procedure the Cousins issue would have come to a head a lot earlier with a rather less debatable outcome.
It always starts at the top.
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I'd like to know what the punters reckon should happen to Cousins or do they think he has served his punishment already, should West Coast just trade him to Richmond for nothing and all will be forgiven, I think that might be the only way he can prove himself. The reason I bought up the fact he will pay for his rehab is because it seems to be another reason to have a dig at him, I've heard many media personalities and the average punter say he should have paid for his own rehab and the AFL or West Coast Eagles should not contribute a cent, I think it's a great gesture from both to offer, but I personally think he should pay for it himself, so now he has, let's all move onto the next reason why he can't play!
I'd like to know what the punters reckon should happen to Cousins or do they think he has served his punishment already, should West Coast just trade him to Richmond for nothing and all will be forgiven, I think that might be the only way he can prove himself. The reason I bought up the fact he will pay for his rehab is because it seems to be another reason to have a dig at him, I've heard many media personalities and the average punter say he should have paid for his own rehab and the AFL or West Coast Eagles should not contribute a cent, I think it's a great gesture from both to offer, but I personally think he should pay for it himself, so now he has, let's all move onto the next reason why he can't play!
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1) he should pay his own rehab, and it shouldnt be noble that he does so
2) he should finish his career at WCE, he owes them for the humiliation he has brought them
3) he is LUCKY he didnt get caught, so he and teh WCE should remember this. teh fact that you have Nisbett and your Chairman almost on the verge of elevating him to sainthood is one of the things that annoyed me most
4) he should admit he has a drug issue. this has gone on 3 months too long because of the failure to admit there is an issue
personally I just want an admission and stop making the guy out to be Mother Teresa, then let him play next week
Talon said:
1) he should pay his own rehab, and it shouldnt be noble that he does so
2) he should finish his career at WCE, he owes them for the humiliation he has brought them
3) he is LUCKY he didnt get caught, so he and teh WCE should remember this. teh fact that you have Nisbett and your Chairman almost on the verge of elevating him to sainthood is one of the things that annoyed me most
4) he should admit he has a drug issue. this has gone on 3 months too long because of the failure to admit there is an issue
personally I just want an admission and stop making the guy out to be Mother Teresa, then let him play next week
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He doesn't deserve a pat on the back for paying for his rehab, it just one thing most people were saying he should do now he's done it, that box is ticked, the only people he has humilated and disappointed is his family and himself, he is rated pretty highly over here, so if he ever got himself clean, the club, the supporters and the media would always welcome him back with open arms, he doesn't owe anymore than what he has already given, he is not a saint nor is he the devil, he's just a young bloke trying to make he's way back from a pretty dark path, I wish him well and others who are in the same position, you shouldn't have to pay for mistakes forever!Tiger74 said:
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Well said Talon. Wish other WCE people were like you. Been driving in WA a lot recently for work, and listening to 6PR is like listening to the "Cousins isn't a druggie and its an east coast conspiracy" hour - but it goes on for days
I look forward to seeing him return to his best, and hope for his sake I hope he stays clean
Well said Talon. Wish other WCE people were like you. Been driving in WA a lot recently for work, and listening to 6PR is like listening to the "Cousins isn't a druggie and its an east coast conspiracy" hour - but it goes on for days
I look forward to seeing him return to his best, and hope for his sake I hope he stays clean
Do you reckon Worsfold will give Cuz a belting?
Despite what Judd says, I really believe that Judd is unhappy with the druggy culture at WCE. Now that the Worsfold's captain has jumped ship, do you reckon Woosha will hunt down Kerr, Fletcher and Cousins and give them a hiding?
Despite what Judd says, I really believe that Judd is unhappy with the druggy culture at WCE. Now that the Worsfold's captain has jumped ship, do you reckon Woosha will hunt down Kerr, Fletcher and Cousins and give them a hiding?
Re: Do you reckon Worsfold will give Cuz a belting?
Ahhh, no - but some pre-season training would be in order.
Six Pack said:
Ahhh, no - but some pre-season training would be in order.
