10,000,000 Cousins threads [Merged]

[AstuteTiger]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

Just her comment as stated in todays herald sun, I want my old Ben back....how long has she put up with this, for her to break it off he has obviously changed so much that she couldn't handle it anymore....I know thats stating the obvious but as she has been with him for 8 years and he's had this problem obviously for sometime she has stayed by him as long as she could.

 

[evo]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

$3000/week...I call 'rubbish'
thats 10g, discounting a bulk buy discount
1.5g a day....not a chance he could perform at the level he did

Yeh media does always beat it up,but he likes to share, and has a harem to support too.

Spot on again evo. Who know's who Bender's been sharing his stash with?

I reckon his trade value would be minimal currently and that's probably being generous. The denial ain't helping any.

there's been some 'homework' done. Still want him at Tigerland?

Well his price has sure gone down.Told you it was subject to the Caro article.

I wonder if we could provide him with a suitable harem.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

$3000/week...I call 'rubbish'
thats 10g, discounting a bulk buy discount
1.5g a day....not a chance he could perform at the level he did

Yeh media does always beat it up,but he likes to share, and has a harem to support too.

Spot on again evo. Who know's who Bender's been sharing his stash with?

I reckon his trade value would be minimal currently and that's probably being generous. The denial ain't helping any.

there's been some 'homework' done. Still want him at Tigerland?

Well his price has sure gone down.Told you it was subject to the Caro article.

I wonder if we could provide him with a suitable harem.

;D

Wallace has got a good track record with retreads.
Bender would present a challenge though.

 

[billyb#40]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

My view of the drugs issue has hardened.
What did the AFL ever expcet the Club doctor to do when he found out that someone had tested positively for a first or second offence. Its crazy that the same person that gives pain killers to get a player back on the field straight away is going to be able to deal withstopping a player from taking a "harmless recreational drug". Yes I know its more serious than that but if the AFL and the AFLPA treat it that way then they deserve that level of cynacism.
So if someone tests positively once off to the tibunal and suspend them for four weeks, mandatory weekly tests for two years, and then the system has helped show them they are serious about stopping drug taking. A second offence, back to the tribunal and 6 months suspension and mandatory weekly tests for two years, A third offence and back to the tribunal and 2 years suspension and mandatory weekly tests for the balance of their career.
Either the system is designed to stop drug taking or else forget it all together and continue as the current system, where Cousins probably doesn't realise he has a problem.
I want the system to help the player and get him drug free. The clubs will suspend them and cut them to protect their integrity so the system needs to be made to do it too.
Cousins has had no rights of due process and he is not playing and probably never will again.
So put in place a system that has penalties but also has a mechanism that provides responsibilites on all parties and hopefully will catch players early and make them face the consequences of their actions when they are still able to modify their behaviour.

And I want the players to have to follow the Drum model of schooling, qualifications and work so they have some preparation for life after football. Most are only in the system for 2-5 years so lets pump them out better for the experience rather than stuffed and in their early 20's

 

[taraba]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

$3000/week...I call 'rubbish'
thats 10g, discounting a bulk buy discount
1.5g a day....not a chance he could perform at the level he did

Yeh media does always beat it up,but he likes to share, and has a harem to support too.

Exactly. But also 1.5g's a day isn't really that much once you've built up a tolerance. A bump here and there to keep you going through the day with the occasional line or two will add up to a fair bit if you're using habitually.

 

[mj72]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

$3000/week...I call 'rubbish'
thats 10g, discounting a bulk buy discount
1.5g a day....not a chance he could perform at the level he did

Yeh media does always beat it up,but he likes to share, and has a harem to support too.

Exactly. But also 1.5g's a day isn't really that much once you've built up a tolerance. A bump here and there to keep you going through the day with the occasional line or two will add up to a fair bit if you're using habitually.

1.5g of meth is a lot. Go and speak to someone who uses 1g a day - they ain't playing football.
anyway, the point I was trying to make is the club/media seems to be eager to tar him as an addict....as if this is more socially acceptable (its a condition/disease/depression) than someone who likes a good time. Hell, if I was the club, I'd spin it the same way too. Not sure it's what I would want if I was ben though.

I actually think with some tweaking (maybe not naming on first offence and suspension) the mandatory testing proposal above is pretty good

 

[Talon]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

I wasn't aware of Wayne Johnstons issues and I'm saying this without knowing what his problem is, but I don't think Caro had to bring it up, unless someone can enlighten me to say it was of rellevence to her story, it sounds like muckraking to me!

 

[jb03]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

I wasn't aware of Wayne Johnstons issues and I'm saying this without knowing what his problem is, but I don't think Caro had to bring it up, unless someone can enlighten me to say it was of rellevence to her story, it sounds like muckraking to me!

Agree, I thought in an otherwise good article the mentioning of Johnston was pointless and hardly seems to be a serious part of the drug problem that now been made aware to all.

 

[mj72]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

I wasn't aware of Wayne Johnstons issues and I'm saying this without knowing what his problem is, but I don't think Caro had to bring it up, unless someone can enlighten me to say it was of rellevence to her story, it sounds like muckraking to me!

Agree, I thought in an otherwise good article the mentioning of Johnston was pointless and hardly seems to be a serious part of the drug problem that now been made aware to all.

A few days back an ex carlton star was mentioned as the source of drugs to angin and co.......I'm no genius, but I would have thought there is some relevance

 

[Tigers of Old]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

I wasn't aware of Wayne Johnstons issues and I'm saying this without knowing what his problem is, but I don't think Caro had to bring it up, unless someone can enlighten me to say it was of rellevence to her story, it sounds like muckraking to me!

Agree, I thought in an otherwise good article the mentioning of Johnston was pointless and hardly seems to be a serious part of the drug problem that now been made aware to all.

Are you suggesting what I think you are?
A few days back an ex carlton star was mentioned as the source of drugs to angin and co.......I'm no genius, but I would have thought there is some relevance

 

[jb03]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

I wasn't aware of Wayne Johnstons issues and I'm saying this without knowing what his problem is, but I don't think Caro had to bring it up, unless someone can enlighten me to say it was of rellevence to her story, it sounds like muckraking to me!

Agree, I thought in an otherwise good article the mentioning of Johnston was pointless and hardly seems to be a serious part of the drug problem that now been made aware to all.

A few days back an ex carlton star was mentioned as the source of drugs to angin and co.......I'm no genius, but I would have thought there is some relevance

OK I Didn't see that but that also wasn't the point Caro was making. There are a lot of ex Carlton players, to link Johnston as that one ex player that maybe supplying drugs is tenuous at best.

 

[mj72]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

I wasn't aware of Wayne Johnstons issues and I'm saying this without knowing what his problem is, but I don't think Caro had to bring it up, unless someone can enlighten me to say it was of rellevence to her story, it sounds like muckraking to me!

Agree, I thought in an otherwise good article the mentioning of Johnston was pointless and hardly seems to be a serious part of the drug problem that now been made aware to all.

Are you suggesting what I think you are?
A few days back an ex carlton star was mentioned as the source of drugs to angin and co.......I'm no genius, but I would have thought there is some relevance

I'm not suggesting anything, but an age journalist seems to be. Personally I dont have a clue, I don't buy my drugs from ex-footballers

 

[interested]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

I have had people allegedly linking Mr. Johnston to these issues for a number of years - and its believed by many that he was clearly mentioned in the original cryptic article in the Age. Caro was just confirming what many believe.

 

[Redford]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

The Dominator had his own personal problems a number of years ago, but what does that have to do with anything now ? If its the insinuation that he's involved in something in the present, then as others have suggested, unless you can put up the proof of it, then shut up. Otherwise that would be a real long bow to be drawing and smack of the aforementioned "muck raking."

 

[momentai]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

I am all for rehabilitation and know nothing against Johnson, but if our chief exec suspects that Johnson supplied drugs to Angwin and Norman then I think he owes a duty to the club to attempt to check that out.

If for instance he can't get Johnson to deny it then he should let him go.

 

[johnson2richo2003]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

Tim Watson mentioned after the interview with Greg Miller that Wayne Johnson,s addiction of choice was pain killers.

 

[Mr Brightside]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

Tim Watson mentioned after the interview with Greg Miller that Wayne Johnson,s addiction of choice was pain killers.

Could any of the Johnson stuff have to do with the loss of his son years a go,or is it before that?

 

[johnson2richo2003]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

Tim Watson mentioned after the interview with Greg Miller that Wayne Johnson,s addiction of choice was pain killers.

Could any of the Johnson stuff have to do with the loss of his son years a go,or is it before that?

Not sure CC

 

[interested]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

The loss of his son was around 8 or so years ago I believe, but I'm unsure when he is meant to have admitted to a drug problem.

The stories I have heard allege that there is some more recent incidents, but that said, they are just stories.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

Got this off BF..

Very interesting.


D. Stimulants

Some athletes use stimulants to increase their energy and endurance. Caffeine and cocaine are two well-known stimulants, although caffeine is a legal drug while cocaine is a controlled substance. Stimulants affect the nervous system, causing a temporary increase in heart rate and blood pressure. Athletes use the drugs to provide a boost in energy and alertness, often to help overcome the effects of everyday fatigue or strenuous training. Possible negative consequences of stimulants include heart attack, stroke, hypertension, agitation, physical addiction, and sudden cardiac death. The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) list of banned substances, used for the Olympic Games and other major sports competitions, includes more than 40 different stimulants.

One stimulant commonly used by athletes is amphetamine. This controlled substance has been widely used for decades by professional baseball players, who often refer to the colorful pills as 'greenies' or 'speed.' Other stimulants used by athletes include methylphenidate (also known by the brand name Ritalin), a drug often used to treat attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder, and modafinil, which is prescribed for narcolepsy and depression. Although baseball introduced testing for steroids among major league players in 2003, it did not implement a ban on amphetamines and other stimulants until November 2005.

http://encarta.msn.com/text_701765667__1/Performance-Enhancing_Drugs.html


Hmmmm...