Like i said before Evo.The prime focus for Worsfold etc was a flag.No Cousins and kerr[and god knows who else] would have put a huge dent into those plans.evo said:Makes me wonder more why Woosha and the West Coast didn't deal with it.rosy23 said:Makes you wonder why the police didn't deal with it earlier.
Woosha said on the footy show he'd heard these tapes.They clearly imply that Kerr and Cousins were dabbling in Kentamine(whoosha is a pharmacologist,he would've known the implications of young people expirementing with horse tranquilisers).and all this as far back as 4 years ago.Kentamine is about as dangerous a drug as it gets.Kerr would've been 20 at the time of this tape.
Kerr and cousins subsequently got into a number of other 'indescrections' since- leading any normal person into coming to the conclusion that it was an ongoing problem.Running from cops,dealings with underworld figures,jumping on taxis,flatlining in Vegas,forging prescriptions etc.These are all documented by police and the media.
Appalling actions from a bloke responsibe for a group of well paid young and impressionable adults.
Yes and as i said thats a given-but that hardly absolves him of responsibilty.If anything it makes it even more callous.CptJonno2Madcow2005 said:Like i said before Evo.The prime focus for Worsfold etc was a flag.No Cousins and kerr[and god knows who else] would have put a huge dent into those plans.
Dont get me wrong Evo.Im not defending Worsfold.His action [lack of more to the point] proves to me what people do to obtain success.evo said:Yes and as i said thats a given-but that hardly absolves him of responsibilty.If anything it makes it even more callous.CptJonno2Madcow2005 said:Like i said before Evo.The prime focus for Worsfold etc was a flag.No Cousins and kerr[and god knows who else] would have put a huge dent into those plans.
Rememeber he's had fairly reasonable 'evidence' that there were problems 2 years ago on this tape alone and that they had already stretched back 2 years prior.He then got further 'evidence' with all the other indescretions.
As Dyer're alluded to earlier,Woosha has obviously got word the last few days that the 'shyte was going to hit the fan'(media wise.)He reluctantly comes on the footy show to do a bit of explaining but more to try and absolve himself of blame(IMO)with some rubbish of 'well I asked xyz and he told me there was no problem,what else could i do?'-and people lap it up.
evo said:Appalling actions from a bloke responsibe for a group of well paid young and impressionable adults.
evo said:Which instances were you refering to?
evo said:Seeing someone suffering the effects of drugs is not enough to charge someone.
Yes,I gathered that mate,wasn't having a go at you.Was just using your post to launch into more dyertribe. >CptJonno2Madcow2005 said:Dont get me wrong Evo.Im not defending Worsfold.His action [lack of more to the point] proves to me what people do to obtain success.
evo said:Yes and as i said thats a given-but that hardly absolves him of responsibilty.If anything it makes it even more callous.CptJonno2Madcow2005 said:Like i said before Evo.The prime focus for Worsfold etc was a flag.No Cousins and kerr[and god knows who else] would have put a huge dent into those plans.
Rememeber he's had fairly reasonable 'evidence' that there were problems 2 years ago on this tape alone and that they had already stretched back 2 years prior.He then got further 'evidence' with all the other indescretions.
As Dyer're alluded to earlier,Woosha has obviously got word the last few days that the 'shyte was going to hit the fan'(media wise.)He reluctantly comes on the footy show to do a bit of explaining but more to try and absolve himself of blame(IMO)with some rubbish of 'well I asked xyz and he told me there was no problem,what else could i do?'-and people lap it up.
Fair enough.rosy23 said:evo said:Which instances were you refering to?
I didn't mention specific instances and wasn't referring to any. : Surely there were at least suspicions about certain people which could have led to a closer watch on their activities if the police thought they were warranted. Before you question me on that comment too I'm not saying that is the situation, I wouldn't have a clue, but am just wondering.
Anduril mentions she had the opinion the police weren't going to charge those the dealer was talking to. It seems that way to me too but I wonder if it might have been better if further action could/should have been taken on a legal basis.
Cracker said the police did take action. It will be interesting to read what they did.
evo said:Seeing someone suffering the effects of drugs is not enough to charge someone.
You don't say. ;D
On the other hand you think Woosher should have done something but as the Weagles said in the paper today they aren't qualified to recognise the symptoms. They had a player playing and training at an elite level and telling them he was travelling well. Appearances can be deceiving when it seems the obvious effects of substance abuse didn't seem to manifest for a long time.
I really don't understand anyone wanting to lay blame. It's a very serious problem that needs dealing with desperately, and a solution found to benefit everyone.
Richmond United said:Agree.....add to this that Worsfold's qualifications are in pharmacy. When you combine the evidence, his position as coach and quals.......well......difficult to believe that he didn't know!
Great idea JB.jb03 said:Maybe they should just make it open slather and do away with testing altogether. They've *smile* ed around with every other aspect of the game.
rosy23 said:Can't see the relevance of a Pharmacy degree if Worsfold didn't actually see players under the influence of certain drugs. Both Kerr and Cousins are top level players and their form didn't indicate substance abuse. I didn't notice anyone posting those players were on drugs when they were tearing the opposition apart racking up possessions at will.
Sorry Rosella but Worfold,s degree would be enough for him to detect drug abuse let alone the information he had through those tapes.rosy23 said:Can't see the relevance of a Pharmacy degree if Worsfold didn't actually see players under the influence of certain drugs. Both Kerr and Cousins are top level players and their form didn't indicate substance abuse. I didn't notice anyone posting those players were on drugs when they were tearing the opposition apart racking up possessions at will.
Too many assumptions and accusations for my liking. With the benefit of hindsight the Weagles (I don't like to single out the coach) might have done things differently too.
Tigers of Old said:Not sure if you've ever witnessed someone under the effects of what these guys have effectively been using rosy, but it's very easy to tell the symptoms unless you turn a blind eye to it.
CptJonno2Madcow2005 said:....let alone the information he had through those tapes.
Cant remember exactly how long Rosella but he was aware of the problem well before they won last years flag.rosy23 said:CptJonno2Madcow2005 said:....let alone the information he had through those tapes.
How long has Woosher had access to the information on the secret police tapes?