10,000,000 Cousins threads [Merged]

[Leysy Days]

That's irrelevant Leysy. Would you prefer McKenzie or Cousins with that pick now?

Actually your question is irrelevant. & too simplistic ILO. Its like saying we would have had Callan Ward playing for us if we didnt trade Sanchez. When in actual fact it would have been Selwood. If we didnt draft Cuz we were taking Nahas in the PSD. No McKenzie either way.

Thats not to say you couldnt mount an arguement saying taking Cuzmo was the wrong move as his influence was possibly overstated. Leysy can see that side of the coin & maybe fell into it too much at the time. But maybe he had an influence around our stoppage setup that has dropped away so much. Who knows. He did make the club a shedload of badly needed money though so there was one major positive from his stay.

thought the pick would have been better used on a youngster given where we stood as a team (ie we sucked, very much).

Again, that same thought process should have been in vogue for the Miller pick. Perhaps moreso given whre we are. Only difference is Miller was taken a bit later in the draft but that is more than balanced out by the fact Cuz could actually play the game very well at AFL level. (Unlike Kent).

 

[Punxsutawney Phil]

Well I for one, although I quite liked the idea of having Cuz in the team, thought the pick would have been better used on a youngster given where we stood as a team (ie we sucked, very much). A lot of people disagreed quite vehemently at the time and I'm just wondering if they still feel that way.

PS I like the way you've chilled out too.

That was half the problem. The club and a helluva lot of supporters didn't think we sucked at that time.

March was telling supporters that we will be enjoying finals football for the first time in a long time, Terry had us locked and loaded and supporters were seduced by the good run home we had at the end of 2008 (whilst overlooking the thrashings we copped in a couple of big games).

Based on that mindset, i can see why we plumped for the proven Cousins rather than a kid who wasn't considered good enough to get picked in the previous 150 odd selections in the National and PS drafts.

It was classic Richmond overrating its playing stocks and topping up.

As for any legacy Cuz has left, it is not evident from where I sit exactly what it is.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Sheeds who brought him to the club even suggested we could be premiers from memory..

 

[Disco08]

Actually your question is irrelevant. & too simplistic ILO. Its like saying we would have had Callan Ward playing for us if we didnt trade Sanchez. When in actual fact it would have been Selwood. If we didnt draft Cuz we were taking Nahas in the PSD. No McKenzie either way.

I don't remember reading that anywhere. Was it common knowledge?

Either way, not taking Cousins would have allowed us to take a youngster had we chosen to. At least that would have given an opportunity to find a player like McKenzie.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Either way, not taking Cousins would have allowed us to take a youngster had we chosen to. At least that would have given an opportunity to find a player like McKenzie.

Agreed with you at the time Disco. Still sit firmly in your corner.
Though I do think we should have looked past Hislop on the rookie list this year for the same reasons.
With tommy, injuries or otherwise, he was highly unlikely after 4 years in the system.

 

[Disco08]

Hislop was 22 when we rookied him. Clearly they thought given a good run with injury he still had a chance of being a long term contributor. That's entirely different to the Cuz situation IMO.

 

[Tigers of Old]

Hislop was 22 when we rookied him. Clearly they thought given a good run with injury he still had a chance of being a long term contributor. That's entirely different to the Cuz situation IMO.

Not entirely but yes at least Tom still potentially has his prime years ahead of him.

 

[Leysy Days]

I don't remember reading that anywhere. Was it common knowledge?

Yeah it was common knowledge we were taking Nahas & the club was very happy he still lasted to our pick in the RD.

Either way, not taking Cousins would have allowed us to take a youngster had we chosen to. At least that would have given an opportunity to find a player like McKenzie.

Yep we did forego the opportunity to take a younger player. Which was also the situation in taking the far lesser talented 28 y.o Miller last year.

 

[Baloo]

Yeah it was common knowledge we were taking Nahas & the club was very happy he still lasted to our pick in the RD.

If I remember correctly it was common knowledge only after we picked him. I didn't hear anyone suggest we were looking at Nahas for a pick.

The big rumour at the time is that we wanted to grab Gourdis with our first rookie pick because Freo were all over him.

 

[Leysy Days]

Yep after the draft. Correct. Gourdis & Klempke were who the media were touting pre-draft.

One thing Richmond are good at are hiding who we like before the draft. You only have to look at the reaction on here after every draft as we have not been linked to anyone we take. Very cloak & dagger stuff.

 

[Baloo]

One thing Richmond are good at are hiding who we like before the draft. You only have to look at the reaction on here after every draft as we have not been linked to anyone we take. Very cloak & dagger stuff.

And supposedly proof of our recruiting teams ineptitude because we didn't follow the BF mock drafts.

 

[Tigers of Old]

One thing Richmond are good at are hiding who we like before the draft. You only have to look at the reaction on here after every draft as we have not been linked to anyone we take. Very cloak & dagger stuff.

Except when we publish them online beforehand (ala Conca etc.) :hihi

 

[Punxsutawney Phil]

Except when we publish them online beforehand (ala Conca etc.) :hihi

Beat me to it!

 

[Leysy Days]

Except when we publish them online beforehand (ala Conca etc.) :hihi

Yep except that one. ;D

Though that was hardly the recruiters fault. They did well to keep who they were taking at such a high pick as secret as they did.

Not that it all really matters too much in the end.

 

[jb03]

Yep after the draft. Correct. Gourdis & Klempke were who the media were touting pre-draft.

One thing Richmond are good at are hiding who we like before the draft. You only have to look at the reaction on here after every draft as we have not been linked to anyone we take. Very cloak & dagger stuff.

No doubt we were shocked and surprised that whowever we took were still there.

 

[Baloo]

Conca's name was doing rounds about a week out I think, or maybe 5 days out. Very hard to keep those things quite. The kids are obviously excited, as are their family, close friends etc.

And being from the West, most people are related to each other in some way.

 

[jackfrost]

If I remember correctly it was common knowledge only after we picked him. I didn't hear anyone suggest we were looking at Nahas for a pick.

The big rumour at the time is that we wanted to grab Gourdis with our first rookie pick because Freo were all over him.

Any chance they still want him for lets say a cheese sandwich and Hill by any chance ?

Yep after the draft. Correct. Gourdis & Klempke were who the media were touting pre-draft.

One thing Richmond are good at are hiding who we like before the draft. You only have to look at the reaction on here after every draft as we have not been linked to anyone we take. Very cloak & dagger stuff.

Please tell me you made that name up ! ....sounds like a disease of the lower extremities.

 

[mld]

It is what it is. Hopefully we extracted as much out of a valuable source of experience as we could, regardless of what we gave up for it.

 

[Elmer]

I was thinking of the claims about Cuz's long term effect on our list a week or two ago when Dusty mentioned he didn't take advantage of talking to Ben and learning from him while he was there. I can't see too many of our players performing like Ben used to in his day. Seems like the claims of his future legacy to our kids were a lot of hot wind. Nothing but speculation. We'd have to have been be far better off had we drafted a kid who had a good chance of a long term career at Tigerland.

Certainly was, some got too excited seeing a player of his quality in a Richmond jumper no matter how far past it. Was a joke picking up Cuz.

 

[Bill James]

Certainly was, some got too excited seeing a player of his quality in a Richmond jumper no matter how far past it. Was a joke picking up Cuz.

And Hislop and Thomson, Cuz might have only played 2 seasons but his Slop will have to stay another 10 to amass the same posessions. Wouldn't it be great to have three 20yo coming up in the system now. The logic is blindingly obivous which must explain why the masses can't see it.