10,000,000 Cousins threads [Merged]

[tigersnake]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

I love that term “substance abuse.”

If I eat 3 Mars Bars a day, do I have a “substance abuse” problem ? What about if I use too much paint when I’m re-painting the house ? Again, do I have a “substance abuse” problem ?

I reckon every chick in the world has a “substance abuse” problem judging by the amount of toilet paper they use. Geez.

Yeah I thought the same thing, thought to myself 'just say the bloody word for chrissakes'

Dyer 'ere and Cracker I agree, the performance enhancing question has to be tackled, its currently being dodged. Cocaine gives physical energy as well as confidence Dyer 'ere.

 

[RemoteTiger]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

I feel for young Ben Cousins. The good news is that he has diagnosed himself - more good news is that his family is behind him.

The sad news is the inuendo - the media reporting - it magnifies his problem many fold - but - he got paid big money to be a public figure - he therefore has to abide by the consequences of being a public figure.

Experience tells me that once you diagnose yourself you are well on the way to doing something about - denial can and still is a killer.

For those of you who have never been adicted to any form of drug use please understand that reasoned thinking is the first casualty - as a user your mind becomes owned by the addiction.

I remember vividly the words of a very close friend who was going through re-hab with me - he said

"I know what it has done to me - it has taken away my wife, my kids, my home, my car, my job, it has taken away me from me - but right now all I want is another hit!"

The chinese have a wonderfully true saying - man takes a drink, drink takes a drink, drink takes the man. (Substitute any drug you want in there for the word drink)

February 1992 was the last time I imbibed - 15 years ago - there are three stages of recovery - kicking it, staying away from it and then living away from it. The first year is the toughest - draw on the love of your family and friends Ben - it has sure helped many other through.

Lastly - any form of drug addiction is a killer - during my first 12 months of rehab I went to 13 funerals - all suicides - good people lost to their drug of choice who could not live with it or live without it.........Good luck Benny..........RT

Why would you feel for him RT. Self inflicted despite a multitude of warnings etc etc. Little sympathy from me.

jb - when addicted your mind your thinking your logic is not your own - doesn't matter how many warnings - it wouldn't matter if they threatened him with a ban for life - the addiction of the drug rules you - you simply have no say - in where you go where you finish up - until you hit rock bottom - then you have 2 choices - dry out/kick it or die.

One could argue the only choice Ben had was when he first started - who knows why - who knows who influenced him - but after that the drug addicition takes that choice away from you - you just have to have it as your body/mind tells you that you cannot live without it. And it takes you to places where - if you were thinking straight - you would not want to go let alone actually go there.

Your term self inflicted suggests you feel that you are in charge of your destiny all the time - I can tell you - those that are addicted to drugs and/or even alcohol are not in charge. You are at the mercy of your addiction.

Been there done that - don't want to go back............

 

[Disco08]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

Coke only lasts a pretty short period though, so unless a player was taking it right before games there would have been no effect on his performances. Ice on the other hand.........

ty dyer.

 

[Dyer'ere]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

If the papers have any more guff, and the Age has put Rule on the case so they probably have heaps, they probably won't publish it yet.

There is a casualty. Cousins. Probably came earlier than they thought. And it would seem inhumane to go in too hard ATM. Might alienate their readership. Maybe they have some ethical qualms that apply tom his current state. Maybe they don't want their next story to get lost in this one.

But it won't be long before we start to read the new evidence if they have any.

Rule's just not in it for one preliminary story.

 

[Mr Pumblechook]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

As drug addiction can be viewed as a mental health problem, can Cousins go onto the long term injury list and a rookie elevated?

 

[Dyer'ere]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

Coke only lasts a pretty short perios though, so unless [A PLAYER] was taking right before games there would have been no effect on his performances. Ice on the other hand.........

Would an addicted player go into a game craving? Don't reckon.

Suppose there were a drug addicted player going around in the AFL and yet he had a clean slate in the testing, would that give anybody confidence in the effectiveness of the programme?

IF it comes out that addicted players are getting through the system, the whole system collapses.

 

[evo]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

If the papers have any more guff, and the Age has put Rule on the case so they probably have heaps, they probably won't publish it yet.

There is a casualty. Cousins. Probably came earlier than they thought. And it would seem inhumane to go in too hard ATM. Might alienate their readership. Maybe they have some ethical qualms that apply tom his current state. Maybe they don't want their next story to get lost in this one.

But it won't be long before we start to read the new evidence if they have any.

Rule's just not in it for one preliminary story.

Agree dyere'ere.It'll come out eventually.Rule is a good and respected journalist.

What did people who saw Woosha last night think BTW?

He was fairly forthright and explained alot of the dilemas he faced but i find it dissapointing that he knew of this way back last July but did little because there was no 'hard evidence' but rather circumstantial and innuendo.

The mans a qualified chemist for god sake.He would've noticed the signs.He spent some time of nearly every day with the guy.

I find it a bit dissapointing he didn't act more decisevely back then when he could've nipped it in the bud.For Benny and the teams own good.Woosha and the west coast brains trust have obviously been involved in sweeping it under the carpet for too long.

Benny will end up being thankful to Rule i reckon with the benefit of hindsight,he bought this issue to a head and forced the clubs hand.If this had've gone on for the next number of months without club action it could've ended in alot more tears.

 

[Redford]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

What about the reference in one of the papers yesterday (sorry, forget which one it was) that there are rumours of a video tape circulating that involves, WCE players, girls and illicit substance consumption ! Geez, if that is true and it gets out, all hell will break lose !

 

[johnson2richo2003]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

Agree dyere'ere.It'll come out eventually.Rule is a good and respected journalist.

What did people who saw Wosha last night think BTW?

He was fairly forthright and explained alot of the delimas he faced but i find it dissapointing that he knew of this way back last July but did little because there was no 'hard evidence' but rather circumstantial and innuendo.

Tha mans a qualified chemist for god sake.He would've noticed the signs.He spent some time of nearly every day with the guy.

I find it a bit dissapointing he didn't act more decisevely back then when he could've nipped it in the bud.For Benny and the teams own good.Woosha and the west coast brains trust have obviously been involved in sweeping it under the carpet for too long.

Benny will end up being thankful to Rule i reckon with the benefit of hindsight.If this had've gone on for the next number number of months without club action it could've ended in alot more tears.

The difference Evo to this year to last year why all of a sudden West Coast has suspended Cousins is they were after a flag last year..Thats my opinion on why

 

[evo]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

Yes well thats a given, madcow.Still dissapointing though.Don't you agree?

It's conceievable Cousins may be lost to the game forever now.Back last July it's possible if they had've been more assertive to sort it out then and there they could've possibly fixed him up and still go on to win the flag.

 

[Dyer'ere]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

What about the reference in one of the papers yesterday (sorry, forget which one it was) that there are rumours of a video tape circulating that involves, WCE players, girls and illicit substance consumption ! Geez, if that is true and it gets out, all hell will break lose !

Caro said that Demetroiou had privately welcomed the attention the issue was getting in the media. That was a while back. By now he'll have privately passed his dentures. *smile* privately welcomed.

On the one hand the papers have to run their stories. The AFL has be seen to be open about it and then go through one of their standard whitewashes.

If a tape like that turned up (fanciful as the idea is), a whitewash would be very difficult to engineer.

 

[Leysy Days]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

Leysy there's a couple of recreational drugs which increase users energy and attentiveness which would come under performance enhancing if used during a game I'd say.

Drugs such as cocaine and ice. Each of these drugs is banned and considered performance enhancing.

Cocaine has only a limited potential for physically enhancing performance. But for confidence, it's a boon. And the question of improved concentration is moot.

Amphetamine is clearly a performance enhancing drug.

Drugs like cannibis are performance detracting drugs. No benefit to the athlete. A hindrance.

The AFL is aware of what Benny's been using. I'm not. But the issue of performance enhancement may have to be considered.

And publicly.

good thread this at the minute lads.

Does anyone seriously think that Cousins, who it appears has a pretty strong addiction. Was playing better football because he was very regularly on coke.

I certainly don't.

Sure it gives you an ego boost & extra allertness (is that a word ;D), but it will also dehidrate you faster & the high is only for a short time.
It could only have a negative effect on all the training session AFL players have as well.

Leysy just can't come at the fact constant use would make someone a better player as some are suggesting :-\

 

[Dyer'ere]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

Yes well thats a given, madcow.Still dissapointing though.Don't you agree?

It's conceievable Cousins may be lost to the game forever now.Back last July it's possible if they had've been more assertive to sort it out then and there they could've possibly fixed him up and still go on to win the flag.

Woosha has been pretty quiet until now, hasn't he?

So now that the blowtorch is on its way to his belly he comes out. And this is to be considered forthright.

No evidence at the time? If you want the answer to the question, you gotta look for it. What enquiries did Woosha make?

If it were your football team, what would you have done?

Why bring up July last year? Are the papers about to blow the whistle on something? Maybe he is just telling it like it was. Maybe he just didn't know what to do.

 

[Disco08]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

Leysy just can't come at the fact constant use would make someone a better player as some are suggesting :-\

Leysy, agree if a player was on coke it wouldn't help them, but if they were on ice I think it certainly would as one of it's primary uses has been to enhance people's performances in a number of areas.

 

[Dyer'ere]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

I don't know what Cousins wasn't on. Or how long he wasn't on it, Leysy. ;D

But we're not not talking about just coke. It's not ice either.

I read somewhere that 40% of NFL players are believed to use coke and that some use it specifically for game day advantage. They use it to increase their aggression.

Ice would be an entirely different matter. Clear physical advantages if properly used.

That's not to say that blokes who can't tie their own shoe laces would be able to control or administer an effective dose.

Maybe they get help.

 

[evo]

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i think you'll agree Jack-To anyone who's been around the block a couple of times it's pretty obvious at least some at the club 'knew'.And they didn't just find out last week.Woosha admitted as much last night.

I mean Kerr forging valium prescriptions with the defence 'i was having trouble sleeping'-give me a break.How obvious do you need it.If he was having trouble sleeping for the normal reasons Joe citizen may have a doctor would happily prescribe him whats required.Forging, points to something he wanted to keep quiet and controlled.

Not to mention perth is a pretty small town.There's been grumblings on websites for years about player 'sightings'Don't tell me Woosha wouldn't have heard loads of stories from numerous sources of nightclub shenaghins.

 

[johnson2richo2003]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

Yes well thats a given, madcow.Still dissapointing though.Don't you agree?

It's conceievable Cousins may be lost to the game forever now.Back last July it's possible if they had've been more assertive to sort it out then and there they could've possibly fixed him up and still go on to win the flag.

Agreed.While Worsfold presented himself well last night my mouth dropped when he said they knew back in July.I respected Worsfold as a player because he never shirked an issue while playing,Yet with the knowledge he had with the phone taps he more or less swept it under the carpet.

 

[tigersnake]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

I read somewhere that 40% of NFL players are believed to use coke and that some use it specifically for game day advantage. They use it to increase their aggression.

Ice would be an entirely different matter. Clear physical advantages if properly used.

Clear physical advantages with coke too Jack. A slang term for speed is 'poor mans coke'. People saying the high is short are only half right, and in terms of performance enhancement plain wrong. You get an initial rush, then you feel confident and energetic, but not rushing, for up to 3 hours, depending on quality. Now thats where his alleged links to crime bosses comes in, the crime bosses would have direct access to the uncut, good stuff.

 

[evo]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

Yes well thats a given, madcow.Still dissapointing though.Don't you agree?

It's conceievable Cousins may be lost to the game forever now.Back last July it's possible if they had've been more assertive to sort it out then and there they could've possibly fixed him up and still go on to win the flag.

Agreed.While Worsfold presented himself well last night my mouth dropped when he said they knew back in July.I respected Worsfold as a player because he never shirked an issue while playing,Yet with the knowledge he had with the phone taps he more or less swept it under the carpet.

It'll be interesting to see if the phone tap names will come out.Also if the names of the '5 players West Coast requested the AFL to specifically test' the other day.

 

[Leysy Days]

Re: Ben Cousins in trouble again

exactly Evo,

Leysy used to see a recently traded WCE player wide eyed & bushy tailed most weekends at the clubs/bars leysy used to frequent in his time in the west.

The whole WC heirachy have known there's been an issue for a long long time.

Leysy just can't come at the fact constant use would make someone a better player as some are suggesting :-\

Leysy, agree if a player was on coke it wouldn't help them, but if they were on ice I think it certainly would as one of it's primary uses has been to enhance people's performances in a number of areas.

I know its only speculation Donald Duck, but I would bet Leysys bottom $$$ it aint Ice that Ben has been using.

Coca-Cola is the drug of choice for almost all of the high social standing crowd in Aus, & almost everyone regardless of status in places like the UK.

Besides I absolutely fail to comprehend how an AFL player could consistently be using ice to improve his performance. It may enhance game day performance if used on an occasional basis, however constant use would cause severe lack of sleep, come downs, dehidration etc that would make it virtually impossible to recover from a match in time for the weeks training & get yourself back "up" for the next weeks match.

Especially when the player runs themselves into the ground as Cousins does.

In summary the recovery time or comedown is far greater on ice than coke.