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Welcome Tom Brown

Our experienced players were woeful so no surprise a kid in his 9th game wasn’t great. It’s now become a tough environment trying to develop yourself as a young player at Richmond.

It’s a bit ironic that we’ve gone from a club where it was hard for the youth to get into an experienced winning side and get developed. Now they’re getting in the side and development will be stunted cos we’re *smile*!
 
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I understand that our situation is difficult & yes he's young but equally Tom is now a third year player.
Like Sonsie these lads can't use the excuse forever that our snr players are struggling. They need to start making a mark of their own.
Brown rightly drew praise when he played well. I just feel he's slid back a bit.
I compare it to when Nick Vlastuin arrived on the scene. Straight from the start he looked like he was going to be a champion. Grimesy too. You knew these guys had it.
What stood out was their absolute appetite for the contest no matter what personnel surrounded them. We weren't trekking great back then ether.
Sheer competitiveness is the one glaring area that these two young lads above don't seem to have. That worries me.
 
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I understand that our situation is difficult & yes he's young but equally Tom is now a third year player.
Like Sonsie these lads can't use the excuse forever that our snr players are struggling. They need to start making a mark of their own.
Brown rightly drew praise when he played well. I just feel he's slid back a bit.
I compare it to when Nick Vlastuin arrived on the scene. Straight from the start he looked like he was going to be a champion. Grimesy too. You knew these guys had it.
What stood out was their absolute appetite for the contest no matter what personnel surrounded them. We weren't trekking great back then ether.
Sheer competitiveness is the one glaring area that these two young lads above don't seem to have. That worries me.
Well said again ToO.

Lot of excuses being made around here for the continued mediocrity of our younger players.
 
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Can kick the ball. But boy is he soft. Bruise free players. Can’t stand em.
 
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I understand that our situation is difficult & yes he's young but equally Tom is now a third year player.
Like Sonsie these lads can't use the excuse forever that our snr players are struggling. They need to start making a mark of their own.
Brown rightly drew praise when he played well. I just feel he's slid back a bit.
I compare it to when Nick Vlastuin arrived on the scene. Straight from the start he looked like he was going to be a champion. Grimesy too. You knew these guys had it.
What stood out was their absolute appetite for the contest no matter what personnel surrounded them. We weren't trekking great back then ether.
Sheer competitiveness is the one glaring area that these two young lads above don't seem to have. That worries me.
I don't disagree with this at all, but for me its beside the point. Nick was a top 10 Draft pick. We'd all love all our draftees to be champions, but it won't happen regardless of how good our recruiting is.. The odds are, aside from Gibcus, we'll get a couple of decent players from that draft. The problem isn't that Brown or Sonsie or whoever isn't a star, its that we've had no early draft picks since Vlastuin, and we now need them. You can't replace Cotch, Jack and Dusty with second or third round picks.

We've done well if Sonsie or Brown become long term best 22. Champions come from top 5 or 10 draft picks, with the occasional one outside the first round which any side would hope to jag every few years. As far as champions go, thats it. But a side is never all champions.

We need to get top 5 picks (thats where the real money is) and top 10 picks, we need to nail them, and hope to jag a few good players from outside the first round, hopefully we already have a couple, and Brown might be one.
 
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I dunno, I think it's really hard to assess where any of our inexperienced players are at right now, there are so many factors at play that they can't control.

It's not just the injury list, it's the rolling nature of the injury list across all lines on the field. There's been zero consistency in personnel, and it's ripped team cohesion and the gameplan to shreds. For an inexperienced player, I reckon it'd almost be like fronting up for a completely new team each week. It takes weeks of playing together at the level to build an understanding with your teammates, to know when you can sag off, to know who's going to go for the mark, to know where the ball is likely to drop, etc etc. There's a reason why you don't see coaches bringing 5 kids into the team at once (or even swinging the axe heavily during the season very often). At the elite level, team cohesion is paramount.

And then there's the domino effect of inexperience and lack of senior support across the ground. The midfield gets smashed, so forwards get worse delivery. The forwards are inexperienced, so when the ball does get there, opportunities aren't maximised. The ball rebounds quickly, so the defeneders are under the pump. And that's on top of all the errors that you'd usually expect from guys who haven't played a season in the seniors yet, that you'd usually just chalk up as a learning experience.

And that's before we even talk about players being forced to play out of position. Or the impact lack of footy during the covid years had on their development. Or the fact that guys with niggles who might usually have been rested to get right simply can't be anymore due to lack of physically sound replacements.

These young men are playing in an environment that you rarely see at AFL level, and the deck is stacked against them. I'm tempering my expectations accordingly.

Back on topic, I reckon Brown will be just fine.
 
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I understand that our situation is difficult & yes he's young but equally Tom is now a third year player.
Like Sonsie these lads can't use the excuse forever that our snr players are struggling. They need to start making a mark of their own.
Brown rightly drew praise when he played well. I just feel he's slid back a bit.
I compare it to when Nick Vlastuin arrived on the scene. Straight from the start he looked like he was going to be a champion. Grimesy too. You knew these guys had it.
What stood out was their absolute appetite for the contest no matter what personnel surrounded them. We weren't trekking great back then ether.
Sheer competitiveness is the one glaring area that these two young lads above don't seem to have. That worries me.
Same age- after Nick had played 2 years of pretty uninterrupted AFL football, playing in a team that was about to play finals for the 3rd year in a row. And compare Vlastuin's 2016 stats- a year maybe slightly less bleak on field to this year. Again pretty similar.

I know Vlastuin's attack on the footy is different than Brown's, but the history of the AFL is littered with guys who appear "soft" as they grow into their bodies, and their reputations change, without their game style really changing- Joel Bowden is the ultimate poster boy at Punt Rd for this.

(As an aside, according to ALF, Brown has had 7 Contested Defensive One on Ones this year and lost none.)
 
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I understand that our situation is difficult & yes he's young but equally Tom is now a third year player.
Like Sonsie these lads can't use the excuse forever that our snr players are struggling. They need to start making a mark of their own.
Brown rightly drew praise when he played well. I just feel he's slid back a bit.
I compare it to when Nick Vlastuin arrived on the scene. Straight from the start he looked like he was going to be a champion. Grimesy too. You knew these guys had it.
What stood out was their absolute appetite for the contest no matter what personnel surrounded them. We weren't trekking great back then ether.
Sheer competitiveness is the one glaring area that these two young lads above don't seem to have. That worries me.
Good post.

Only conjecture is I thought Grimes looked like a skinny spud to begin with :)
 
Not easy for the youngsters when you have Short beside you showing you the way. Last 2 weeks Brown has had 32 pressure acts, Short just 8. Whole backline is under the pump atm and not working well together at all. Brown will be fine imo, he's down on a bit of confidence playing with his other two key position talls that are really just good quality VFL players. Our last 5 losses, 39 points, 43, 54, 91, 119.
 
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Need to go back & read through when Dylan first started. He was super impressive very early.
Competitiveness has little to do with where you're drafted. Stats won't measure it either.
Early posts were all about Grimes' arse. Brown's arse has cracked a mention.
 
I think he’ll be alright. Our position being belted WIWO does not provide the best environment for development. However, when he is one on one, he holds his own ok and positions himself well. And is a beautiful kick. I don’t mind what I see at the moment from Tom. If we weren’t falling down everywhere I think the opinions of some might be different.
 
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I understand that our situation is difficult & yes he's young but equally Tom is now a third year player.
Like Sonsie these lads can't use the excuse forever that our snr players are struggling. They need to start making a mark of their own.
Brown rightly drew praise when he played well. I just feel he's slid back a bit.
I compare it to when Nick Vlastuin arrived on the scene. Straight from the start he looked like he was going to be a champion. Grimesy too. You knew these guys had it.
What stood out was their absolute appetite for the contest no matter what personnel surrounded them. We weren't trekking great back then ether.
Sheer competitiveness is the one glaring area that these two young lads above don't seem to have. That worries me.
The appetite for the contest is not a learned skill either.

You either have it or you dont, and sadly most of our juniors seem to be lacking in this.

Trezise, Lefau (although not a kid) and McAuliffe along with Mansell the only players out of the younger lads that look to engage and employ the physical contest.

Moju is pretty good and has been improving all aspects and Coulthard has a crack for his size but there are some concerns over many of the rest.
 
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We've done well if Sonsie or Brown become long term best 22. Champions come from top 5 or 10 draft picks, with the occasional one outside the first round which any side would hope to jag every few years. As far as champions go, thats it. But a side is never all champions.
.. and father sons
..and free agency
.. and academies

(Which are all subversions of the draft as as you say these guys would be top 5 picks otherwise outside of the weird hird type outcome)
 
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(As an aside, according to ALF, Brown has had 7 Contested Defensive One on Ones this year and lost none.)
What?????
According to Alf Brown???
If he's still writing he'd be 110 years old

Actually one of lines I remember from (the late Herald writer) Alf Brown is his description in one Friday night match preview of Francis Bourke and he said (something like) ... "Bourke has muscles in places that other players don't even have places"
 
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