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willo said:
But u did it in isolation. Without comparisons to other small forwards. Without comparison to butler/Rioli/Lloyd etc. And without knowing what it measures.
George needs to improve accuracy and composure, I think we agree on that. But You use stats to bag him without comparisons to other small forwards, without knowing how they are measured and without using a number of measures.
MD Jazz said:
willo said:
I did it in isolation, really? Is there a rule on a player thread that when you post his stats, you've got to post other players stats as well?
Does that only apply to me or others as well? Or just the Castagna thread or all player threads?Or whenever you deem it appropriate?
Whichever it is, I've got news for you mate, you're going to be disappointed.
Without knowing what it measures? Hugely hypocritical of you to single me out for that, while others can harp on about "pressure acts" and nary a peep from you.
Once again, you want to have a dig at the poster (that's me) It's far easier than providing any reason, proof, facts or anything else that supports for your own views.
Now that you've found footywire ( I have previously provided links) I suggest you and others championing young George's recent form over the last month take the time to digest how he's actually been going. Don't just take my word for it ;D
That way you can compare every player that's afl listed to your hearts content. With a warning, it doesnt change George's past month.
Once again, I hope he can find some form tonight. It looks like he's stays regardless of how he performs so I hope he does well.
*edit* spell check
Baron Samedi said:
How concise and astute, when you've got nothing, have a go at the poster. Consistent at least.
Pressure acts as defined by Champion Data:
Since 2010 Champion Data has recorded the level of pressure for every disposal in AFL games. From the start of 2010 to now (Round 20, 2015) that adds up to nearly 850 thousand disposals. Once you add in tackles and smothers, this equates to 952,445 "pressure acts" that have been registered. How, though, is pressure defined?
Two people from Champion Data's 10-strong capture crew on game day are dedicated to recording information on pressure applied to disposals, as well as enhancing information on every kick. The kicking information can be covered in another article, but for now we will explain the pressure component.
We have six pressure levels that can be assigned to a disposal:
1. Set Position - After a mark or free kick, not including when a player has played on.
2. No Pressure - No opposition player is close enough to affect decision making.
3. Corralling - Opponent in the area, but only guarding space, not closing in.
4. Chasing - Opponent closing in from behind or forcing a player on the run to kick without steadying.
5. Closing - Opponent in the area and approaching the ball-carrier
6. Physical - Opponent has physical contact on player.
There are also instances where pressure is recorded in the absence of a disposal:
Physical - Tackles that prevent a disposal (dispossessing, forcing a stoppage or winning a free kick)
Closing - Smothers off the boot/hand that prevent a disposal from being recorded.
Corralling - Corralling a player in possession, and with prior opportunity, across the boundary line.
From the above categories we assessed kick-to-handball ratios, kicking efficiency and handball efficiency to put a grade on each level of pressure. The No Pressure category was used as the baseline at 1.00 points and everything was scaled relative to this number. The Pressure Points in the bottom row of the table below is essentially a measure of how hard it is to effectively get the ball away. For example, Closing pressure (2.25) is more than twice as difficult as No Pressure and Physical pressure (3.75) is nearly four times as difficult.
More at: http://championdata.fansunite.com.au/2015/08/21/16625/pressure-factor
Since 2010 Champion Data has recorded the level of pressure for every disposal in AFL games. From the start of 2010 to now (Round 20, 2015) that adds up to nearly 850 thousand disposals. Once you add in tackles and smothers, this equates to 952,445 "pressure acts" that have been registered. How, though, is pressure defined?
Two people from Champion Data's 10-strong capture crew on game day are dedicated to recording information on pressure applied to disposals, as well as enhancing information on every kick. The kicking information can be covered in another article, but for now we will explain the pressure component.
We have six pressure levels that can be assigned to a disposal:
1. Set Position - After a mark or free kick, not including when a player has played on.
2. No Pressure - No opposition player is close enough to affect decision making.
3. Corralling - Opponent in the area, but only guarding space, not closing in.
4. Chasing - Opponent closing in from behind or forcing a player on the run to kick without steadying.
5. Closing - Opponent in the area and approaching the ball-carrier
6. Physical - Opponent has physical contact on player.
There are also instances where pressure is recorded in the absence of a disposal:
Physical - Tackles that prevent a disposal (dispossessing, forcing a stoppage or winning a free kick)
Closing - Smothers off the boot/hand that prevent a disposal from being recorded.
Corralling - Corralling a player in possession, and with prior opportunity, across the boundary line.
From the above categories we assessed kick-to-handball ratios, kicking efficiency and handball efficiency to put a grade on each level of pressure. The No Pressure category was used as the baseline at 1.00 points and everything was scaled relative to this number. The Pressure Points in the bottom row of the table below is essentially a measure of how hard it is to effectively get the ball away. For example, Closing pressure (2.25) is more than twice as difficult as No Pressure and Physical pressure (3.75) is nearly four times as difficult.
More at: http://championdata.fansunite.com.au/2015/08/21/16625/pressure-factor
Thanks for that Tommy, I'll have a read.
We have six pressure levels that can be assigned to a disposal:
1. Set Position - After a mark or free kick, not including when a player has played on.
2. No Pressure - No opposition player is close enough to affect decision making.
3. Corralling - Opponent in the area, but only guarding space, not closing in.
4. Chasing - Opponent closing in from behind or forcing a player on the run to kick without steadying.
5. Closing - Opponent in the area and approaching the ball-carrier
6. Physical - Opponent has physical contact on player.
There are also instances where pressure is recorded in the absence of a disposal:
Physical - Tackles that prevent a disposal (dispossessing, forcing a stoppage or winning a free kick)
Closing - Smothers off the boot/hand that prevent a disposal from being recorded.
Corralling - Corralling a player in possession, and with prior opportunity, across the boundary line.
From the above categories we assessed kick-to-handball ratios, kicking efficiency and handball efficiency to put a grade on each level of pressure. The No Pressure category was used as the baseline at 1.00 points and everything was scaled relative to this number. The Pressure Points in the bottom row of the table below is essentially a measure of how hard it is to effectively get the ball away. For example, Closing pressure (2.25) is more than twice as difficult as No Pressure and Physical pressure (3.75) is nearly four times as difficult.
Player Measure
At player level, we add up these points to get pressure applied. Players don't receive any credit for Set Position or No Pressure disposals by the opposition. Sydney's Kieren Jack holds the current record for pressure applied within a single game with 122.4 points from 20 Physical Pressure acts, 12 Closing pressure acts and 17 Corralling pressure acts. Only four players have reached triple figures since the measure took on its current form in 2012, making 100 points a natural benchmark for a truly outstanding game.
Excerpt from Tommy's link.
Just so we all know what "pressure acts" are, especially those espousing their value.
Corralling, chasing and closing are counted as "pressure acts"
Maybe it's because it's become an industry, the need to find, compute and detail. Corralling and closing pressure acts, well I'll be... :hihi
I hope all our players can get their corralling and closing into gear, I'm sure that will help us win games.
We have six pressure levels that can be assigned to a disposal:
1. Set Position - After a mark or free kick, not including when a player has played on.
2. No Pressure - No opposition player is close enough to affect decision making.
3. Corralling - Opponent in the area, but only guarding space, not closing in.
4. Chasing - Opponent closing in from behind or forcing a player on the run to kick without steadying.
5. Closing - Opponent in the area and approaching the ball-carrier
6. Physical - Opponent has physical contact on player.
There are also instances where pressure is recorded in the absence of a disposal:
Physical - Tackles that prevent a disposal (dispossessing, forcing a stoppage or winning a free kick)
Closing - Smothers off the boot/hand that prevent a disposal from being recorded.
Corralling - Corralling a player in possession, and with prior opportunity, across the boundary line.
From the above categories we assessed kick-to-handball ratios, kicking efficiency and handball efficiency to put a grade on each level of pressure. The No Pressure category was used as the baseline at 1.00 points and everything was scaled relative to this number. The Pressure Points in the bottom row of the table below is essentially a measure of how hard it is to effectively get the ball away. For example, Closing pressure (2.25) is more than twice as difficult as No Pressure and Physical pressure (3.75) is nearly four times as difficult.
Player Measure
At player level, we add up these points to get pressure applied. Players don't receive any credit for Set Position or No Pressure disposals by the opposition. Sydney's Kieren Jack holds the current record for pressure applied within a single game with 122.4 points from 20 Physical Pressure acts, 12 Closing pressure acts and 17 Corralling pressure acts. Only four players have reached triple figures since the measure took on its current form in 2012, making 100 points a natural benchmark for a truly outstanding game.
Excerpt from Tommy's link.
Just so we all know what "pressure acts" are, especially those espousing their value.
Corralling, chasing and closing are counted as "pressure acts"
Maybe it's because it's become an industry, the need to find, compute and detail. Corralling and closing pressure acts, well I'll be... :hihi
I hope all our players can get their corralling and closing into gear, I'm sure that will help us win games.
Nice goal and Mark to George in the first qtr.
He's had another 2 kicks up to 1/2 time. 3 kicks at 66.7%.
Hope he's saving himself for a big 2nd half
He's had another 2 kicks up to 1/2 time. 3 kicks at 66.7%.
Hope he's saving himself for a big 2nd half
Baron Samedi said:
Mopsy said:
He would have missed the coat, dropped the pen then stabbed an old lady walking past as he picked it up.
tigersnake said:
He certainly does, kept every guessing even his teammates, fortunately it didn't impact much seeing he had another huge game with 8 disposals, 6 effective.
He did kick a nice goal. Quite memorable it was. Easy to remember as it was his only highlight for 74% game time. Pity about his turnover that cost us a goal and earned Norf one. 2 goal turnaround turnover, but at least he brings chaos. Good to see him bring something as he doesn't need to bring footy boots
