We have no genuine talent coming through

[mrposhman]

Just on the flankers, it wasn't just the 2021 draft, we added yet more in 2022 when it was a great draft for talls, I felt it was an opportune time to stitch up another couple and get that production line going. Banks & Brown pretty similar, can't see them ousting Dan Rioli or Jayden Short, maybe they slot in on a wing but I reckon replacing Kamdyn could have been done with a lower pick (Teal a prime example). The problem Clarke now faces is he will no doubt use the rookie draft for guys like Bradtke & Buller and will probably come up empty handed unless a 35 goal forward like Mihocek falls into the lap. I think 2014 has taught us how to use the junk picks to full effect, it actually took Jackson several years to figure this out but the template for success is now apparent. In simple terms, state league plug and plays, an approach which allows quick decisions to be made eg. Lambert versus Marcon, small forwards where the success rate is highest, project rucks & half backs who seem to be the most plentiful resource. So far the Clarke era has been a classic case of mismanaging our draft capital & paying scant regard to scarcity with position types.

Thats fair.

I don't think Banks or Brown are expected to replace Rioli or Short (they don't have the pace to), Brown probably earmarked for Vlastuin / Broad replacements and Banks on a wing, but agree we then took Kaleb Smith last year along with Steely Green.

We definitely appear to have avoided drafting talls at that part of the draft for some reason, and it does seem a bit desperate the way we are going about it with Bauer and then Bradke and who knows who we pick next week. Of all of the talls I'd like it to be Elliott, he was talked up in the main draft initially before getting injured so those are the types you'd expect us to take the risk on, but agree for some reason we have avoided drafting talls, particularly in recent years.

 

[mrposhman]

Most importantly there was improvement. The game before he got the ball in the same pos running into 50. Panicked and kicked wide.

Exactly what I was thinking and I'd mentioned that at the time after the Geelong game. Much better decision making there on the weekend, took a look either side, sized up his options and then took the shot. Good stuff by Miller there.

 

[tiger76]

@mrposhman
@bullus_hit

Loving the analysis from both of you; it's great reading and much appreciated

 

[The_General]

I'd love to see the median games for each pick. Are they available?

Median Games played and Brownlow Votes by Draft Range

Pick Range	Players Picked	Career Games Median	Brownlow Votes Median
1	26	191.5	32.5
2	26	186.0	33
3-5	78	144.5	15.5
6-10	130	110	4
11-20	260	83.5	2
21-30	259	69	0
31-50	515	34	0
51-70	447	15	0
After 70	201	11	0
Rookie 1 - 10	225	4	0
Rookie 11 - 30	417	2	0
Rookie 31 - 50	290	0	0
Rookie - Post 50	249	0	0

Average Games Played

Pick Range	Players Picked	Career Games Average	Brownlow Votes Average
1	26	196.3	47.1
2	26	174.2	39.7
3-5	78	151.0	36.0
6-10	130	120.5	16.7
11 - 20	260	109.3	14.4
21 - 30	259	82.8	9.0
31 - 50	515	70.1	8.1
51 - 70	447	45.4	3.7
After 70	201	38.0	2.4
Rookie 1 - 10	225	38.3	3.1
Rookie 11 - 30	417	33.6	2.2
Rookie 31 - 50	290	31.9	2.9
Rookie - Post 50	249	22.3	1.2

Clearly the averages are boosted by the outliers with the later round picks. Way more failures than the averages would indicate.

 

[ceehook2]

Thanks The General , I hope those figures pass the pub test with most

We know from our clubs experience a high draft pick can get you true elite talent eg Delideo Cotch Dusty or it can be a miss for what ever reason Tambling JON

We can console our selves by thinking of Jack Watts and plenty more too 4 picks that hardly fired a shot

The trick is getting the top pick right and a pick in the 30’s right in the same draft , and doing thev2/3 years in a row

 

[craig]

We have no coach now either

 

[bairdy380]

Total change of landscape today… whose papers got un-stamped… and who now might consider different options…. Interesting times indeed

 

[Brodders17]

That's a good wrap but don't tell me there isn't 50 kids every year that can run and kick.
picks just don't have to be in the ND but it's those preseason, midseason, rookie draft picks that make the difference.
Pick 40's don't get a pass because they were pick 40.
A kid selected pick 40 should be in the top 50 kids in the country. A kid that runs all day and can hit a target by foot.
*Lambert Rookie absolute star
*Bulter & Castagna Rookie
*preseason Pickett Stack
*Milocheck Johnson & Noble all rookie or preseason selections play in the best 22 team in the comp.

No more experiments.
If a kid is drafted as a defender we play him as defender

You do know Mihocek and Castagna were drafted as defenders, yeah?

 

[mrposhman]

You do know Mihocek and Castagna were drafted as defenders, yeah?

Baker as a forward, Rioli as a forward were 2 others

 

[The_General]

Short was a forward.

 

[code yellow and black]

Higgins, CCJ, RCD, Dow, Ross, Brown, Sonsie, Clark and Banks are all either failures or have major decencies in their game. He has got 2 top 30 picks out of 11 right. Balta and Gibcus.

Then include the likes of Naish, Will Martyn and Ralphshit.

He is a dud.

How about you compare our picks to some other clubs who have had similar picks (position wise). Think u will find they all similar or done worse than us.

How have top 10 picks Dow and obrien gone for the blues?

Compare other players taken before ralphsmith and u will find he was a good pick. Where’s Rantell and that back pocket player pies drafted before Ralphsmith.

Naish didn’t cost much and some thought he was worthy of a first round pick.

 

[Gazmatron]

Well hopefully with Mini we will find out over the coming months whether we have any hidden jewels