TIGER'S MENTAL HEALTH

[craig]

Some people are trying to break us.
I want us to win this one more then last two now.

I agree with this.

Ive been checked out all season pretty much , now I'm the same there really would be nothing sweeter they'd have nothing to take aim at us with.

Then go back to the G and flog em all again next year for a 3 peat and 4 in 5 years I think we'd all be happy with that before the Guns ride out of town into the sunset.

 

[The_General]

You forgot to mention the criticism that Hardwick keeps getting for his position on the team. First with Longmire, then the next week he was criticised. He was criticised this week for defending Lynch and saying we needed to be hard and tough. It goes on

 

[DavidSSS]

I agree that supporters are getting a bit het up about the media, but it is no surprise when the media coverage is so pathetic.

That article linked to above by Barrett was the sort of disrespectful drivel we have come to expect. And he is employed by the AFL. Does anyone actually like what he writes? Redundancy time is the time you move on dead wood like that.

The biggest problem the media will find is that there are many alternatives these days. I don't have any social media so I probably miss out on knowing about a lot of the podcasts and websites out there, but, just to name a few, here's some I do listen to or read:
Richmond Tigertalk
1993 Best year of AFL (or whatever it was called).
Kick to Kick history of football podcast.
Mongel Punt website (not crazy about the podcast)

The problem the media will face sooner or later is that these podcasts and websites, and I'm sure there are plenty more, are miles above the quality of journalism at fox, sen, etc. The mainstream media aren't even in the same league, and these are just fans doing it for nothing.

Then you read that article about Robert Muir on the ABC. Wow, real journalism, go out and get a story and then very well written.

I never watch the football shows on TV and don't pay for TV so have little exposure to them apart from what is mentioned here. But if what I hear is an indication of how they report footy I wonder why anyone watches those shows.

Sooner or later the clickbait gets boring. I am very bored with the crap that the media says about football, more pissed off when it is about my club but I sometimes read an article in the paper about another club and still find it embarrassingly bad and really wonder how the journos keep their jobs.

I don't think this would be impacting on players, but it is time supporters either push back against the media or just ignore them. I would tend towards the latter as the likes of Barrett would be counting the responses he gets as proof of impact.

Unfortunately it isn't just footy journalism which is in the toilet either.

DS

 

[Raoul Juke]

I agree that supporters are getting a bit het up about the media, but it is no surprise when the media coverage is so pathetic.

That article linked to above by Barrett was the sort of disrespectful drivel we have come to expect. And he is employed by the AFL. Does anyone actually like what he writes? Redundancy time is the time you move on dead wood like that.

The biggest problem the media will find is that there are many alternatives these days. I don't have any social media so I probably miss out on knowing about a lot of the podcasts and websites out there, but, just to name a few, here's some I do listen to or read:
Richmond Tigertalk
1993 Best year of AFL (or whatever it was called).
Kick to Kick history of football podcast.
Mongel Punt website (not crazy about the podcast)

The problem the media will face sooner or later is that these podcasts and websites, and I'm sure there are plenty more, are miles above the quality of journalism at fox, sen, etc. The mainstream media aren't even in the same league, and these are just fans doing it for nothing.

Then you read that article about Robert Muir on the ABC. Wow, real journalism, go out and get a story and then very well written.

I never watch the football shows on TV and don't pay for TV so have little exposure to them apart from what is mentioned here. But if what I hear is an indication of how they report footy I wonder why anyone watches those shows.

Sooner or later the clickbait gets boring. I am very bored with the crap that the media says about football, more pissed off when it is about my club but I sometimes read an article in the paper about another club and still find it embarrassingly bad and really wonder how the journos keep their jobs.

I don't think this would be impacting on players, but it is time supporters either push back against the media or just ignore them. I would tend towards the latter as the likes of Barrett would be counting the responses he gets as proof of impact.

Unfortunately it isn't just footy journalism which is in the toilet either.

DS

Thanks for the suggestions of podcasts. Outside of the "Sacked" one, i haven;t really came across any AFL ones that I get through an episode of. Even with Sacked, it was only Season 1 that grabbed my attention. Season 2 was a bit 'meh'.

Im a bit like you mate, i read articles like that about Muir and it makes me wish there was more like it. Thats why i like the Final Story doco's - its incredbly to watch the players, still 20-30 years on still be stung by a loss or a specific moment. That is what our AFL media misses the mark on 1000 times over. They treat the game and its players like objects and things, not realising the thing that makes it exceptional is the human aspect of it all.

 

[Raoul Juke]

When people are talking about fury and rage over the AFL and saying they get no joy at all out of the game this season then something is wrong. There are bigger problems in the world than this (sacreligious to say this on a football forum I know).

I am not getting much joy out of it as 3/4's of all our games have been *smile* terrible flood fest and inbetween the games all i read about is the footy media and mucky-mucks bitching about my team.

If the games were interesting then i might be more inclined to not notice the *smile*-sideshow that follows. But half the games have been 15 - 22 at half time & ending in 55-76 results. The idea to shorten the quarters has totally ruined the game for me. defensive tactics used to break down in the final few minutes of each quarter. Now they literally don't ever. Who wants to watch sub par skills in a congested flood, in front of almost empty stadiums, with deplorable commentators?

ITs ordinary because its ordinary. I'd love to have some life distractions right now, trust me. But the footy quite honestly, is reflecting the year. just *smile*

 

[AngryAnt]

Stop reading the media if it angers you, and stop watching the football if it gives you no joy.

That's my honest advice.

 

[hutstar]

The footy media will keep posting tripe if people keep clicking it. Number one rule - DO NOT open any articles critical of the Tiges. We're big enough that any post on the Tiges - good or bad - generates clicks and lifts metrics. Likewise, we're big enough that if we boycott any unfairly negative Richmond content, metrics will really suffer.

 

[Tigers of Old]

The footy media will keep posting tripe if people keep clicking it. Number one rule - DO NOT open any articles critical of the Tiges. We're big enough that any post on the Tiges - good or bad - generates clicks and lifts metrics. Likewise, we're big enough that if we boycott any unfairly negative Richmond content, metrics will really suffer.

Perfect advice. Dry up their market by not interacting.

 

[Rancey18]

I wish we could go to the footy. Hate being forced to listen to commentary from the "experts" in order to watch our games.

 

[TigerFlag2017]

What effect is this constant barrage of negative reporting and other incidents having on the mental health of our team?

It is relenting. First we had the non stop pilloring of the Cotchins over the beauty parlour visit.

The breaches by others from other teams and wags hardly raised an eyebrow.

Then we have the hard line criticisms of Mitch Robinson and David Schwartz.

That is nothing compared to the constant media attention given to Tom Lynch.

Now he is to be tried and no doubt hung out to dry by the tribunal, thanks to the MRO sending him there.

Also we have two players in Grimes and Vlastuin being virtually labelled as sporting cheats.

As we know Grimes received death threats. Is there an investigation into who sent them?

We all know of players who are renowned for "flopping" as it was called, especially at one particular club. No action ever taken.

So, what effect is all of this, in particular the media, having on the mental well being of our players and will it affect their playing ability.

As a life long RFC member, I almost feel like it is affecting me by association, so how are the players reacting?

You can also add to the list the lynching of Short and Floss for the footage of touching Chol.

I wonder if Emma Murray is still helping. I assume she couldn't leave her family to go north. I expect this is a big loss in a difficult year.

 

[TT33]

I wish we could go to the footy. Hate being forced to listen to commentary from the "experts" in order to watch our games.

Do what I do, turn off the sound. It's a much better experience when you don't hear all the cr@p from numpty comentators.

I miss the days of yore when comentators called the game as it unfolded, not like the current bunch who rant & rave, carry on about nothing & at times, do these stupid ittle boys injokes that quite frankly the vast majority of us couldn't give a rats clacker about.

End of rant
I feel better now

 

[Tenacious]

I wish we could go to the footy. Hate being forced to listen to commentary from the "experts" in order to watch our games.

Mute button
I've been using it for a few years now - much better

 

[zippadeee]

Mute button
I've been using it for a few years now - much better

I've watched 2 games without commentary, the Port and the Brisbane game.
The entire commentary team were just missing the supporter merchandise.

 

[OldTiger1967]

I wish we could go to the footy. Hate being forced to listen to commentary from the "experts" in order to watch our games.

I mute the commentary and enjoy watching the game.....

 

[DavidSSS]

I'll throw mine in as well.

Let the siege mentality go. The media aren't out to get us. The umpires aren't out to get us. The AFL isn't out to get us. Anyone who says anything even slightly negative about a player or the team doesn't 'hate' us.

They are all just people doing their jobs. Sometimes they get things right, sometimes they get things wrong, just like every other human being that has ever walked the planet.

Seeing it in any other way just creates an unhealthy mindset that ultimately leads to an overreaction to every incident and an inability to enjoy the game.

Whilst I agree with a lot of this, the media are also out to get clicks, to get a rise out of people, to get attention for themselves.

They are just doing their jobs, but they are doing their jobs badly. The clickbait crap they dish up and call journalism is just garbage. It's not just that they get things right sometimes and wrong other times, it is the extremely short term, get a quick response, and move on to the next story they can sensationalise crap that gets me.

It seems to be the same in all areas these days. There is no nuance, there is no discussion of different points of view, there is no room for debate. There is a position presented and 2 options: like/don't like. Life is more complicated than like/don't like, what happens at football clubs or any other organisation for that matter is more nuanced than like/don't like.

The media are a big factor in creating an unhealthy mindset in the way they present the news, the way they set the agenda and the way they sensationalise everything.

On another note, I would agree with the above poster about shorter quarters, they have massively contributed to the decline in the quality of the game this year.

DS

 

[kyuss]

I'll throw mine in as well.

Let the siege mentality go. The media aren't out to get us. The umpires aren't out to get us. The AFL isn't out to get us. Anyone who says anything even slightly negative about a player or the team doesn't 'hate' us.

They are all just people doing their jobs. Sometimes they get things right, sometimes they get things wrong, just like every other human being that has ever walked the planet.

Seeing it in any other way just creates an unhealthy mindset that ultimately leads to an overreaction to every incident and an inability to enjoy the game.

I agree with a lot as well. But Im with DavidSSS on this. Of course the media are out to get us. They love nothing more than to highlight something to do with Richmond or Collingwood. Have heard it from the horses mouth from blokes who work at the Herald Sun.

 

[AngryAnt]

I agree with a lot as well. But Im with DavidSSS on this. Of course the media are out to get us. They love nothing more than to highlight something to do with Richmond or Collingwood. Have heard it from the horses mouth from blokes who work at the Herald Sun.

yeah Collingwood and Richmond sell newspapers, or they did in the old days. It's not rocket science after all

 

[The_General]

I had the chance to sit next to the Sports Editor of the Herald-Sun on a plane back from the UK. She was returning from the Commonwealth Games. I asked her about the perception that hitting the tigers sells papers. Her advice - fear not. The papers sell most when Essendon is on the cover (this was before the drugs scandal). She said their supporters drove sales up like no other team.

Now, I agree that the type of journalism has gone down the crapper. There used to be standards around the type of language that was used (eg little/no emotive language) in a report and open slather in an editorial. Nowadays, you can play bingo with the "reports" and struggle to find something that's not an editorial. It's not about persecuting the Tigers though, it's about selling papers. Ever wonder why there's only a beat up on really sensationalised things (eg Laidley dressed as a woman) when it involves smaller clubs? Not many people care if they sack a coach. It's a completely different story if Carlton, Essendon, Collingwood and of course, us, do the same thing though.

 

[Quickdraw]

They are all just people doing their jobs.

Agree TBR.
Problem is there is very little substance to what the media generate. The vast majority is sensationalism based click bait.

Yes they have a job to do. The sad part is it's a sh!t job that doesn't give the average football follower a lot of enjoyment.

In the last couple of hours the AFL web site has an article saying "Tigers to appeal staging sanctions". When you read it there are six players challenging. Maybe they could have said 5 clubs challenge MRO, but no, there's more clicks in putting Tigers and staging in the headline.

I think they are out to either build a career or make money for their employer by stiring up mostly confected stories, and with Richmond having the most members we're an easy source of clicks. I'm sure Collingwood supporters feel the same.

Sad state of the media.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

They actually arrested a 39yo Frankston man for making death threats to Grimes.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...s/news-story/dc9f940cd021bf57668fd5fafb6e4ea2 (paywalled)