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Tigers 2012 - Hopes and prospects...

Dizaster

Tiger Rookie
Apr 10, 2011
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Firstly I think this year went about as well as expected. Overall we won about the right number of games we were expected to win. Finished about where we expected to finish on the ladder. Played really good in patches than made us a look a good side, then played poor in others where you wondered if we made any progress at all..... But overall I think we made a good step forward from 2010, and 2012 definitely looks set to be another year where the Tiger faithful get some reward for their unwavering support..

Secondly I think 2014 is around when our time will come,,,, where we begin to truly win games we are expected to win, and don't lose the one's that we shouldn't... Top 4 is where it's at these days, and unless you are right up there, there isn't that much difference between 6th and 14th..... Essendon, St Kilda, Sydney all finished up in the 8, but you could argue at least 3 or 4 other teams including the Tiges looked as likely as them this year....

But there is tonnes of progress to be made....


FORWARD

Riewoldt - Was as good a forward as you could want in 2010, and took right up where he left off at the beginning of 2011... But his KO incident looked to have shaken him up for the rest of the year.... He also suffered an injury in the 2011 preseason which was minor, but still interrupted his preparations... With a good pre-season into him,,, and maybe a little more weight to give him a bit more presence,,, we shouldn't be ashamed to hope for a return to the way Riewoldt can dominate inside 50 meters,,, ala 2010... Add to that an improved tank and Vickery becoming a bonofide second target up forward, we could see Riewoldt outside 50 more (not unlike his cousin, or Richardson late, where he looked arguably the best of his career). Sewing up a weak area of the ground for us and improving our transition ability.

Vickery - Well what can you say.. For whatever Riewoldt lost after his injury early in the season, Vickery took up the slack... Clever, athletic, courageous, tough, a great mark, and a very good kick at goal,,,, when both him and Reiwoldt fire together in 2012, it is going to be a nightmare for opposition defenders... Add Martin down there in spurts, and our crummers who almost every game grow in effectiveness, any analysis by experts will show there is no lack of firepower around Richmond's forward line.

The fact that in 2010, behind Reiwoldt the next highest goal kicker in 2010 was Collins on 15,, yet in 2011, behind Reiwoldt we have :
Vickery = 36
Martin = 33
Nahas = 29
King = 25
Cotchin = 18
Miller = 17
it's an absolute night and day difference... Hopefully we can expect nothing but improvement again in this area next year, and our reliance on few guys to get more of our goals equals more scoring power overall.....

BACK

Rance - Although not exactly setting the whole of the AFL world alight with his skill or presence down back, he was non existent last year, but this year has injected some well needed run, creativity and courage to our previously dull and stagnant back line. It is certainly a good starting place for a guy who really had impact in games this year... If he continues the work ethic and aims to improve his skill level and leadership ability, he will make for a single improved guy down there... An area where it appears to be baby steps for the Tiges...

Grimes - A genuine shining light down back for the few games he played... A very young inexperienced player who got dominated by a few of the start forwards of the AFL, but only a few games later showed signs of become one of the more solid defenders in the whole competition.... The fact he suffered his season ending injury by putting in one of the most determined spoils i've ever seen shows his commitment... His timing improved in spoiling contests,,,, he's tall which we need down there, seems to be intelligent and composed when he gets the ball (something we DESPERATELY NEED down there), he was missed the moment he was out, and if he has a good pre-season and can stick it out in 2012, will add another little block to our back-line.... another baby step towards a solid defense.

HALF BACK

Deledio / Houli - Both are very composed with the ball... Whenever the team takes a step up, Deledio seems to as well... Yet to show true game changing ability, but he certainly never drags the team down when we are up... If our backline can truly strengthen up and get the ball out quicker without getting held in all he time by the press, i'm sure Deledio will be able to have more running impact and bombs from 50 meters to get every Tigers fan in the stands screaming...
Houli has obviously settled in and has shown he's an incredibly important part of our ball use through the middle... A year with our guys and our game plan now, a full pre-season knowing he is a mainstay and pivotal part of our side, we probably have not even seen the best of Houli yet... Surprised almost everyone this year with his genuine consistency (something Richmond truly cries out for), so this is one guy I am really excited to be watching for 2012...

MIDFIELD

Nahas - A night and day difference between 2010 and 2011... a decent crumber/goal sneak and reasonable forward pressure tackler in 2010 how become a very composed and energetic midfielder this year.... It is now clear that Nahas has big ambitions for his football, and the full pre-season gave him the tank and energy to take on the game like we hadn't seen of him before... You can clearly see his maturity grow every year, and if he takes some of his better games from this year and runs with them into 2012, he will be a dangerous guy to have around every competition.. Not just around goal now.

Edwards - The curse of Richmond, or at least the person everyone had condemned at the start of 2011.... Still capable of some really poor skill lapses, he needs to do some maturing as well... But towards the end of the year, he showed pace and quick skills which i've rarely seen from ANYONE around the ball and packs... If he gained some more composure, and his brain begins to think as quick as his body does, he could start to have a bit more impact on games himself... And I don't mean just handing the ball over to opposition at crucial moments.... A real wild-card, and has some serious area's to improve on, but as we appear to be persisting with him, all I ask is for some more maturity and composure, and he will be someone who adds to the side on more occasions than he takes away.

Martin - Still a bull, a marking machine one on one around goal, knows where the sticks are, genuine game breaking ability... Could only expect more improvement from Martin next year.. Already know his brain with and around the ball is top notch.. Another preseason will improve his tank again,,,, could get more defense from him... Maturity will obviously give him a little more composure as well out in space and on the run... I'll say it again to myself and here, as i've said a thousand times in the last 2 years,,,,,,, THANK GOD THIS BASTARD IS ON OUR SIDE!!!!!!

Cotchin - Stood up this year... A good pre-season, and he has some of the smoothest skills you will ever see. Looks stronger than he ever has. Takes the lead like he never has... Expect fully to be one of the out and out superstars of the AFL by 2014/2015... Do anything to keep this guy Richmond.!

RUCK

Ruck..... What can we say... I'm still waiting for that moment to click with Graham.... You could see it happen with Vickery at the start of the year.. Went from a guy with a sort of lost, rushing look in his eye, to the look of a guy who wants that damn ball and will do anything to get it... Graham has the size and I believe that attributes (skill, tank, brain) to be a good ruck.. He's still a young guy, and may never come of age... But if at some point he does get that sudden realization he can take the game by the balls like so many of our players have over the last two years, then we'll have ourselves a ruckman...! But obviously this is an area that it's hard to get excited about at this point... But i'm not completely heartless about it either... Think we can stick it out with the guys we have for another year or two...



Overall with games won and lost this year, you can really only see marginal improvement... But looking at each of our guys individually and the different components of our field, we have genuinely improved in almost every single area, and have set up a stage for even greater individual improvements next year...
You could argue we just aren't gelling 100% as a unit yet... Defensive pressure overall lacks. Assistance around Clearances lacks.. Skill and turnover errors/lapses still occur way to much...

But the difference between the Richmond of 2011, and the Richmond of a top 6 finish, I don't think is a huge gap.....

I for one am seeing the brightside of our team, and am genuinely excited about the 2012 season...
 
I forgot Foley as well who had an outstanding comeback year for a guy who has had so much time off... He can only get MUCH better next year... and Grigg who is another one who on his good days, bridges the gap between our A graders and C graders...
It's a recipe for a team who if working really well together and the game plan comes through, is going to be serious contenders next year.....

Now if we can only convince all of the betting agencies to make us the odds on favorite to lose every single week for the whole season, no matter what sort of streak we are on, we'll have no trigger to under perform. Such is the "Richmond should win this one" curse of the last 30 years..
 
At the beginning of the season I had high hopes for Tom Derrickx. I hope someone on here in the know can tell me if big Toms attitude was sound enough this season or not, as I still have high hopes for this guy next season
 
We're on to something Dizzy. Better than 95 and 2000. Hope it results in a flag or two.
 
I won't be happy with anything short of finals in 2012. Might seem like high expectations but I think the kids on our list still have the ability to grow much, much more. Yes I know that every other club has this too but I think we have better quality youth than most.

Another year into Cotchin, Martin, Conca, Astbury, Batchelor, Griffiths, Helbig, Vickery etc...coupled with the hopeful addition of a good ruck through the trade period and Pick 14 and I think we can scrape in.
 
Finals. It is time.

Fortunately the club know this too. i think we are planning winning football after a couple of years development.
 
Tigerbob said:
Finals. It is time.
Fortunately the club know this too. i think we are planning winning football after a couple of years development.
yep . I wasn't one who was that confident about the previous false dawns , hopeful but not confident. This time I am confident because I don't think we are far off and the improvement we need can come from young players who mostly have already shown they can play a bit .

Consider this list . Astbury , Grimes , Post , Griffiths , Conca , Batchelor , Helbig , Dea . Everyone of them will be 21 or younger a the start of next season .Not all of them will step up but if 3-4 of them do then I think we will all be pleasantly surprised at how good this team can be next year . Cotchin , Martin , Vickery and rance all improved in 2011 and have lots of improvement still in them . I see lots of list of players who plenty want to write off but there is also this list of potentially very good players . We need development of these guys , we need to keep on adding depth and we need a ruckman . The frustration I have however is that we have 3 players on our list who if they could consistently play to their potential and talent they would add enormously to the team . Edwards , Morton and Connors . Each of them have shown they have the capability to play excellant AFL football but I am not sure they will ever show it consistently. What a difference they would make if they could but i am not sure all 3 of them will be in the yellow and black in 2012.

Of course all the confidence in the world doesn't mean it will happen but we have the best chance in a long time for it occur imo .

My tip for the big improver next year and surprise packet is Matt Dea . He is still learning the game but I just have the feeling he will be a very good AFL footballer.
 
Another player that comes from nowhere to become a top 10 player for us a la Nahas would be good too.

Am hoping it will be a guy like Connors or Morton if they are still with us as both are blessed with great natural talent, they just need to want it as much as Nahas did.
 
I don't think we will play finals in 2012. It is a big step up to win those extra 3 or 4 games to push into the 8. And if one or more of our top liners gets injured, bottom 4 would be a realistic finish.

We need to stiffen the defence, and we are relying on Grimes, who has played what 10 games to come in and be the saviour and Astbury who has looked lost in defence at times. Big expectations on two kids to improve our shaky backline.

The midfield lacks depth, and is far too one way at the moment. Cotchin, Martin and Foley need far more support than what they got in 2011.

We obviously need a ruckman and if Maric is all we get there, then I wouldn't expect our clearances to suddenly shoot up in the space of 12 months.

I reckon 2012 will be similar to this year....some good wins, some bad losses, and a finish just outside the 8. Get more games into the kids (hopefully the likes of Grimes, Astbury, Post, Griffiths get much more game time) and then I reckon we will be set for a tilt at the finals in 2013.

2013 will be finals for mine.
 
Agreed. With a bit of luck I reckon we can sneak into the finals next year we won't really challenge until the year after.
 
Tigerbob said:
Finals. It is time.

Fortunately the club know this too. i think we are planning winning football after a couple of years development.

Has to be. For all our rubbish this year we didn't miss by much.

And the off season of 2012, we go for broke. Get a jump on free agency & have three picks in the top 30. No excuses not to build a platform from that. The 2012 off season is way more important then any other in the last 30 years.
 
Some good signs this year but we are still way off. Think back to our losing streak and we were easily the worst team in the AFL by a mile. We lack depth that's all and we were exposed when we didn't have the full set but then they surprised me towards the end when we performed well with so many starters out of the side.

Couple more years around the 10-14th mark and then it will happen, I predict finals 2015.
 
We need to play finals in 2012. Whether the club likes it or not, 6 ninth finishes in the last 20 years, only two finals appearances and ten years in the wilderness is enough. This club does not have much credit left in the bank.

If they need to shore up the team with experienced players to achieve this goal, then so be it. The only thing that young players learn by losing every week is that they are not good enough. Get a couple of ruckmen, find a defender or two, pay out some contracts if need be, do whatever it takes.

It is time to ramp up expectation and deliver.

This notion of lying low until we have built a Premiership squad is nonsense. Climb the ladder and build on the run, just like all the other successful teams have done.
 
Seems the doom and gloom of 5 weeks before seasons end has been replaced by optimism again.
I do agree the pressure to play finals will be on more than it has in Dimma's first two seasons.
 
Tigers of Old said:
Seems the doom and gloom of 5 weeks before seasons end has been replaced by optimism again.

It's not optimism, it has to happen. It's going to take a massive effort and a lot of things going right. But it's time to raise the bar.