Re: talls after the draft. still looks grim.
Big Cat Lover said:
But how far will we rise Leysy?
Will Webberly/Nason/Dea be integral to success?
Who do you see as our back 6 in 3 years time? The disposal of these guys along with defensive ability will go a long way to assisting an elite midfield achieve finals success. I see almost none of the exisiting back 6 ever being capable of elite football.
Currently we have King (terrible) Thursfield (good defender, limited offensive output) Polo (tries hard, disposal questionable, decision making questionable) Newman (poor defender, occassional good long kick), McGuane (see Polo and add undersized for role), Moore (ATM had one good year, undersized for key role, offensive qualities basically unknown).
Maybe Webberly will become a rebounding defender, Dea the same? Will they have the elite kicking of a Drummond, Hurn?
I respect Leysy's opinion but I think your respect for our key defenders (Moore/Thursfield/McGuane) is misplaced and will be found to be incorrect. I would suggest 2010 is a big year for determining these guys long-term future a KD with the club.
I look at the bulldogs as a great example of a club with elite footskills/midfielders/flankers being denied ultimate success because of a lack of quality talls, and this is something they have continually failed to address. I hope we don't end up with the same failed campaigns.
Fair enough there Big Cat. Wont go on with it, but you make some good points that leysy agrees with.
Just so you know (again). Dont rate McGuane. Was hoping Rance would join Thursfield as a key back. There are some question marks. As mentioned to you before would like to see another key back drafted, but only IF the recuiting staff rated one capable. Time will tell if Astbury does that or if Post can be released back.
One thing though, you write guys like, King, Polo, Newman (when backline) & off (quite rightly in general). Yet question the methods of the club when they try & address the quality of player in the back half. Guys that can negate body on body then run, create then distribute long & accurately are extremely valuable. wouldn't you agree. Gilbee, Fisher, Gram etc. If we can unearth (time will see) one or two from our picks this year it will help us no end in the future ILO.
GoodOne said:
On the whole we recruited well imo, my main question is on Dea who looks quite dashing but definitely has disposal deficiencies from the bits and pieces I've seen in the highlight reels. If we were going to pick someone with weaker disposal skills I would have preferred to risk it on one of the talls still available. at that pick
OK. We will see on Dea. What leysy hears is very good.
the claw said:
i dont see anyone advocating we take talls who cant kick. you failed to answer why webberley when we already took farmer in the trade period how many small defenders do you want. ditto with nason why. we took taylor at 51 and have morton gilligan nahas in the system. why not a tall who can kick not as if there wasnt any available.
and going by that rant can i assume you desperately want to see the back of mcguane sheesh dumb poor kick and undersized to go with it.
For a start Taylor is 189cm. We have Nahas only as a likely small forward. gilligan speculative. We need more, or havent you seen the amount of pressure forward lines are required to put on to try & negate all the run that backlines generate these days. Morton hasnt the agility to apply this.
As for Webberley, he is a Casserly type player. Massive kick, extremely evasive. Time will tell. As touched on previously hopefully out of him & Dea we get some more class out of our backline.
the claw said:
i have to say if you expect every pick we take to make it you are being unreasonable all clubs take punts on players what are late picks and rookie picks for. tell me maisey what do you think of astburys pace and agility.you rip into a bloke like nathan brown because he lacks agility but are rapped we took astbury you want it every which way.
WTF you in old son. Leysy has not mentioned Astbury once on here yet you go on about us being wrapped to take him. If your gunna have an old debate big fella get the right facts on board. Seeing as you asked on Astbury, havent got a lot on him so its been wait & see. If he does lack agility then yes leysy will be critical as he is on teh club when they make errors, reports suggest he is far quicker than his testing showed. Jacksons a stickler for big guys being able to move well. Time will tell early next year on this.
As for the rest of the old claw, Tango's, Big Cats & Goodone's post. Leysy reckons you all miss one point. Tell leysy if he's wrong but you lot seem to fall into the phantom trap of having to have a set amount of players fall into each certain group. Leysy's view - If the recruiting staff didnt rate anyone tall or thought who they do like would fall to the rookie draft hey should have left them.
Why should they do there homework all year, then say oh heck we dont rate this fella & I reckon we'll need to chop him in two years. & geez lets look over a couple of kids who we like just to get out number of talls "On Paper" up. That Panos kid was AA full forward will add to the list, never mind the fact he has no agility, leap, smarts & mediocre pace to get any seperation on his opponent. But by heck he'll get our Key position numbers up. He might eveb play more VFL seniors than Hughes.
The powers that have decided to take concerted effort to take what they deem quality Key position players early. Our first 2 round picks since 06' have only been - smalls - Edwards, Cotchin & Martin. But Talls in - Reiwoldt, Rance, Vickery, Post & Griffiths.
FJ will live & die by there research & decisions & ony time will tell. Leysy just cant see the point of adding certain players if the intelligence there paid to do says the chance is minimal.
