The global swing to the right :-)

[Azza]

Dan Andrews under his watch is allowing one trend we have enjoyed to be going the other way. He might need to get his government and police force to speak to NSW.

Are there statistics to back up that Victoria is worsening and at a greater rate than NSW? Serious question - it's not just a perception generated by the Herald Sun is it?

 

[tigertim]

One Nation?, Family First? Motoring Enthusiasts Party?

Sex Party.

 

[tigertim]

Are there statistics to back up that Victoria is worsening and at a greater rate than NSW? Serious question - it's not just a perception generated by the Herald Sun is it?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-16/crime-rate-jumps-8-per-cent-in-victoria/8358924

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-03/nsw-crime-at-its-lowest-in-40-years/8411126

 

[Azza]

Thanks tt. I'm not sure that the ALP can be blamed for the upsurge given it's only been in power for a couple of years, but it certainly needs to respond.

 

[Baloo]

If the alt.right managed to find a couple of leaders that didn't come off as nutjobs I reckon we could see them take power in the West. There is a lot of disillusionment out there.

 

[Harry]

If the alt.right managed to find a couple of leaders that didn't come off as nutjobs I reckon we could see them take power in the West. There is a lot of disillusionment out there.

The media would portray them as nutjobs regardless

 

[tigertim]

Thanks tt. I'm not sure that the ALP can be blamed for the upsurge given it's only been in power for a couple of years, but it certainly needs to respond.

Well the upsurge has occurred under the ALP regime which has been in power now since November 2014 (2.5 years)

 

[MD Jazz]

Well the upsurge has occurred under the ALP regime which has been in power now since November 2014 (2.5 years)

He only asked for evidence, didn't say he would accept the incumbents were at fault if the evidence supported the original post

 

[Azza]

Well the upsurge has occurred under the ALP regime which has been in power now since November 2014 (2.5 years)

What ALP policies caused the upsurge tt?

 

[AngryAnt]

Are there statistics to back up that Victoria is worsening and at a greater rate than NSW? Serious question - it's not just a perception generated by the Herald Sun is it?

Found these stats at the ABS:

4519.0 - Recorded Crime - Offenders, 2015-16

KEY FINDINGS

The number of offenders proceeded against by police in Australia during 2015–16 increased for the fourth consecutive year to total 422,067 offenders, an increase of 1% (or 5,016 offenders) from 2014–15.
However, after adjusting for population growth, there was little change in the national offender rate with 2,023 offenders per 100,000 persons aged 10 years and over, compared to an offender rate of 2,027 in 2014–15.
Since the beginning of the time series in 2008–09 the number of offenders has increased by 12% (or 46,474 offenders). Over the same period the offender rate increased by less than 1% (from 2,006 to 2,023 offenders per 100,000 persons aged 10 years and over).


OFFENDER NUMBERS INCREASED IN ALMOST ALL STATES AND TERRITORIES
Victoria was the only state or territory in which the number of offenders decreased between 2014–15 and 2015–16, with a decrease of 3,163 offenders (or 4%).

Over the same period the number of offenders increased in:
New South Wales (by 3,905 offenders or 3%)
South Australia (by 2,254 offenders or 5%)
Western Australia (by 1,322 or 3%)
Northern Territory (by 279 offenders or 2%)
Queensland (by 245 offenders or 0.2%)
Australian Capital Territory (by 125 offenders or 5%)
Tasmania (by 49 offenders or 0.5%)
New South Wales, Queensland and Victoria accounted for the majority of offenders proceeded against by police in 2015–16:
New South Wales 30% (128,397 offenders)
Queensland 24% (100,539 offenders)
Victoria 18% (77,770 offenders)


http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]/mf/4519.0

:hihi

 

[Willo]

Found these stats at the ABS:

:hihi

It depends which figures you use.
Here's one from Crimsafe. Victoria. Spells out the opposite
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-16/crime-rate-jumps-8-per-cent-in-victoria/8358924

Victoria's crime rate rises 8pc in a year; robberies and thefts drive increases
By Karen Percy and staff
Updated 16 Mar 2017, 2:17pm

MAP: VIC
The number of criminal offences recorded in Victoria went up by more than 50,000 last year — an 8 per cent rise in the per-capita crime rate.

The latest report from the Crime Statistics Agency of Victoria shows a total of 552,005 offences were recorded across the state to the end of December 2016, compared to 500,971 in 2015.

Crime figures for 2016

Offence Change since 2015
Robbery Up 24.4 per cent
Theft Up 15.9 per cent
Assault and related offences Up 11.8 per cent
Dangerous, negligent acts endangering people Up 22.3 per cent
Burglary/break and enter Up 10.1 per cent
Drug use and possession Up 6.9 per cent
Breaches of orders Up 10.6 per cent
Justice procedures offences Up 51.6 per cent
Transport regulation offences Up 43.3 per cent
Disorderly and offensive conduct Down 9.4 per cent
Cultivating and manufacture drugs Down 9 per cent
Source: Crime Statistics Agency of Victoria

 

[AngryAnt]

It depends which figures you use.
Here's one from Crimsafe. Victoria. Spells out the opposite
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-16/crime-rate-jumps-8-per-cent-in-victoria/8358924

Victoria's crime rate rises 8pc in a year; robberies and thefts drive increases
By Karen Percy and staff
Updated 16 Mar 2017, 2:17pm

MAP: VIC
The number of criminal offences recorded in Victoria went up by more than 50,000 last year — an 8 per cent rise in the per-capita crime rate.

The latest report from the Crime Statistics Agency of Victoria shows a total of 552,005 offences were recorded across the state to the end of December 2016, compared to 500,971 in 2015.

Crime figures for 2016

Offence Change since 2015
Robbery Up 24.4 per cent
Theft Up 15.9 per cent
Assault and related offences Up 11.8 per cent
Dangerous, negligent acts endangering people Up 22.3 per cent
Burglary/break and enter Up 10.1 per cent
Drug use and possession Up 6.9 per cent
Breaches of orders Up 10.6 per cent
Justice procedures offences Up 51.6 per cent
Transport regulation offences Up 43.3 per cent
Disorderly and offensive conduct Down 9.4 per cent
Cultivating and manufacture drugs Down 9 per cent
Source: Crime Statistics Agency of Victoria

 

[Willo]

What ALP policies caused the upsurge tt?

Maybe the bail and sentencing regimes might be considered to start with.

I was reading today about the armed robbery at a Toorak jewellery store where the perpetrators pleaded guilty and received a juvenile supervision order. Apparently the manager was pistol whipped during the robbery and was threatened with being shot.
Fortunately for them, the judge accepted their apology and thrashed them severely with a feather. It's a wonder he didn't apologise for the inconvenience of them having to face court.

Is it such a hard question .."Justice or the legal system"

But juvenile or adult, it shouldn't matter, armed robbery (in this instance a gun) and assault during the crime should attract an appropriate penalty. Not home detention or juvenile supervision.

 

[AngryAnt]

Maybe the bail and sentencing regimes might be considered to start with.

Have bail and sentencing regimes changed since the ALP took power in Victoria?

 

[Willo]

Have bail and sentencing regimes changed since the ALP took power in Victoria?

Not sure whether they have, hence the "maybe"and "considered" in my previous post. But seeing I have to do the research
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/victorian-bail-law-changes-to-be-announced-by-state-goverment/news-story/7725bd55aee875ea161421a85cdfe35c

Looks like they have seen the need to review the bail laws.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the Sentencing Act reviewed as well.
No doubt the escalating rise in crime in Victoria will see major changes take place.

 

[AngryAnt]

Not sure whether they have, hence the "maybe"and "considered" in my previous post. But seeing I have to do the research
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/victorian-bail-law-changes-to-be-announced-by-state-goverment/news-story/7725bd55aee875ea161421a85cdfe35c

Looks like they have seen the need to review the bail laws.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the Sentencing Act reviewed as well.
No doubt the escalating rise in crime in Victoria will see major changes take place.

Good work willo

 

[gutfull]

The sooner the soft Cxxxs lefties are run out of town the better this place will be ...

 

[Willo]

The sooner the soft Cxxxs lefties are run out of town the better this place will be ...

It sounds like you've had a gutfull, gutfull (no echo intended)

 

[Harry]

The sooner the soft Cxxxs lefties are run out of town the better this place will be ...

Couldn't have said it better

 

[Azza]

Maybe the bail and sentencing regimes might be considered to start with.

I was reading today about the armed robbery at a Toorak jewellery store where the perpetrators pleaded guilty and received a juvenile supervision order. Apparently the manager was pistol whipped during the robbery and was threatened with being shot.
Fortunately for them, the judge accepted their apology and thrashed them severely with a feather. It's a wonder he didn't apologise for the inconvenience of them having to face court.

Is it such a hard question .."Justice or the legal system"

But juvenile or adult, it shouldn't matter, armed robbery (in this instance a gun) and assault during the crime should attract an appropriate penalty. Not home detention or juvenile supervision.

You've hit the nub willo. The judiciary controls sentencing and bail, not politicians. The upsurge began under the coalition government and has accelerated under Labor. A response is needed, but I don't think that either party is to blame for the upsurge.