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The call we have to make
- Thread starter Carter
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i dont want to get into silly insults like you tend to do when anyone disagrees with you, but you appear to be missing my point. I am happy for any and all kids to play, IF THE MC THINKS IT IS IN THEIR BEST INTERESTS.
I come to this forum to read posts from supporters who have the knackers to post actual opinions, not careful fence-sitting dressed as astute insight. the likes of Dyer-ere, Spook, Ezy, King Kong, Ziggydee, Smoking Aces, ToO are all colorful rogues, some positive, some negative, but always interesting.
They may disagree with me fairly often I suspect but I will never have a negative thing to say about them. I freely admit I could never reach their level of insight, I simply enjoy exchanging ideas with a heap of them.
Your post above illustrates everything that bores me about PRE members like you. Your observation lacks nuance - there are any numbers of mistakes the selection committee will make on our rise to the next top four assault and there is NEVER a hard and fast rule when it comes to playing kids. Gibcus has been a success, but who's to say a Clarke wouldn't provide more than Jack in terms of forward balance and we get the benefit of getting games into him. The selection committee may never pull the trigger on such a bold move, but that doesn't mean it isn't worth raising in here as an idea. A critique of conservatism. Who knows, our round 22 team may well be unrecognizable. I have a feeling it will be.
2022 is shaping up as a major crossroads for the club on a number of levels. I cannot recall so many difficult decisions to be made.
Apologies if you felt insulted.
I agree, it isn't fair.
That's the dilemma isn't it. I reckon Carlton has suffered badly from this reality. By the time Murphy, Gibbs and Kruezer were in their peak, their list was decimated. Then Cripps enters his prime and the above trio are finished.
There is an art to list management that is above my pay grade.
Agree and good point on Carlton.
Freo the same with Fyfe and Walters though they did reach a GF.
I'm backing the club to take the best shot while we have Dusty, and also to have a shot while Balta and Bolton are primed.
That'll be a neat trick
Cartman has lapped the shark so many times already the shark still thinks it's in front
so you agree with Brodders that we should play kids if the MC thinks its in their best interests?
thanks for this most insightful of calls jizzz lol
you truly add much to the forum
There’s “get games into kids” and there’s throwing them into the deep end and ruining
them. Dimma and the MC deserves more credit, they generally play kids when ready, which benefits us in the long term. In recent memory, playing Ryan against St Kilda in a tsunami is Dimma’s only blemish.
them. Dimma and the MC deserves more credit, they generally play kids when ready, which benefits us in the long term. In recent memory, playing Ryan against St Kilda in a tsunami is Dimma’s only blemish.
Could someone post a simple step-by-step guide on how to use the ignore feature for Carter so he doesnt have to read through all the posts from all the members on here that bore him?
I am sure he will thank you for it.
Yeah I don’t know where this whole concept of ruining kids comes from.
A taste of AFL is never a bad thing, you hear our coaches routinely say it’s worth multiple VFL games.
Whether the kids are ready to help us win games is another matter.
If finals are off the table then the above factor is irrelevant.
See Samson Ryan if you want to see what that looks like.
There's a time and a place for a 'rebuild' and it may well come this year.
I think that 'play the kids' actually less important to the bigger picture than some will have us believe, at this stage. If they're good enough, like Gibcus, they'll play. The bigger issue and it's something I've mentioned a couple of times is what to do with our middle class of players. B-grade players who have been loyal servants, but will never be A-grade players. This is where there's a tougher conversation, and where we should be a bit daring at the trade table / free agency.
Hang on a minute, do we know that Ryan’s experience set him back personally?
This is group think at its worst and most inaccurate
Happy to concede the point on Ryan if you have evidence that he was traumatised in some way.
Did he help us win the game? No
Did he play well? No
Was his development negatively impacted?
How do we know?
More likely that he learned senior running patterns from his direct opponent or absorbed the match day prep of our seasoned vets in the locker room or experienced Dimma’s match day coaching for the first time.
Or better still, gets in the video from all angles for analysis as opposed to 1-2 vfl angles. And gets feedback from the senior coaches during the week.
Valuable, no?
I’m any case, he is but one example that is always trotted out in here like some dire warning.
Fair dinkum, we have a great batch of kids and playing them at various stages this year ain’t such a bad thing when the alternative is Ross or Parker
Or a senior player clogging up a spot in the ones
There are many on this thread with an inability to grasp this, including you.
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Was his development negatively impacted? Has he played AFL since? Even with Chol and CCJ leaving, the match committee saw fit to move Balta forward rather than play Samson. His VFL form from my viewing certainly hasn't been as good since he was selected last year.
He is one example, but that proves my point. Generally (and I'm not saying they are faultless at all), the coaches and match committee know when these guys are actually ready and get it right. Gibcus is a freak and was ready straight away. Clarke, Banks, Brown, Sonsie may not be. That's also fine. One swallow does not a summer make, too many people here have a high time preference with this.
Moju, Biggie n Delilah. Can see each of them easily getting a run or three in the seniors this year. MAAAAAATE, meh, extremely unlikely this year even in chemically enhanced imaginations.
There it is. See even the night Carter manages to iterate a salient point occasionally. Difficult part is trying to sort through the effluent n dross to find it.
Pretty much everyone that gets on the forum would understand and agree that there's a batch of exciting youngsters that will get game time this year. They'd also believe that Mate would probably be the last option considered. Purely because he hasn't played the game for years n has barely done a couple of basic fitness runs with the team, has no knowledge of structures or running patterns etc. Highest probability for Mate would be a gallop or two in the magoos.
