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The Blueprint being used against us.
- Thread starter Merveille
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No chance of increasing quarters in season 2020
Clangerfield demanded shorter qtrs on behalf of all players late 2019 and has got his way. The AFL will do anything to stop us winning another
I said this half-jokingly two years ago, but if we don’t have an immediate leading forward inside 50... kick it along the ground!
The opposition can’t mark a 50m worm burner.
First, faster players get into open space faster, so Rioli, George, Shai, Dusty etc will have more time to run into it and more time to apply pressure.
Second, it creates more chaos, which I assume works because in this defensively professional era chaos takes away their ability to defend. Worm burners take away their ability to professionally defend as a structured team.
So just kick the damn thing long and towards goal.... and along the ground if you have to!
The opposition can’t mark a 50m worm burner.
First, faster players get into open space faster, so Rioli, George, Shai, Dusty etc will have more time to run into it and more time to apply pressure.
Second, it creates more chaos, which I assume works because in this defensively professional era chaos takes away their ability to defend. Worm burners take away their ability to professionally defend as a structured team.
So just kick the damn thing long and towards goal.... and along the ground if you have to!
We need to find our boots, the Crosby's aren't working.
I've never seen a premiership team have so many poor kicks inside 50.
I would drop Prestia after the thurzdey game. He cost us 3 goals in the first half.
The teams’ set shots for goal haven’t been a strong suit a long time. Sure Riewoldt, Lynch & Martin can have days out, but many of our goals have been after cutting teams apart then kicking them through from close range.
That’s why it’s so important (And I’m sure we all agree on this), that the team has to get it’s mojo back and start hunting like maniacs again, otherwise we will continue to look third rate, and be kicking to forward lines with small cities in them.
I’m not stressed. I really think the past two weeks says more about our state of preparedness than how good the opposition are or that they have worked us out. Hardwick alluded to this after Friday’s game - “do we want to be playing our best football now?”.
In preparation for the restart we had played just 3/4 of one scratch match. Collingwood reportedly had played 3 internal scratch matches.
After round three 2019 we had just won won game, had a percentage of 79% and were 13th. We know what happened after that.
This is an intetesting discussion.
I initially thought the same but having seen other games I have a different perspective now.
I believe the short quarters massively favour the teams which have prepared early and punished though which have held off for later in the season ie Tigers Wce Giants.
The prepared sides run to defend the back 50 and force midfield turnovers hard knowing they dont have to maintain this for more than 3 shortened quarters.
It makes scoring against them very hard especially at night.
They fatigue in the last but play to be far enough ahead to hold on...witness us v Pies and Blues v Cats to name 2.
Those teams not yet fit enough cannot go with them and look hopelessly slow..ie us.
So.....is the RFC prepared for this and playing the long game ?
I hope so. If so we just need to make the 8 then come home at full pace while others like Pies and Hawks tire.
Fingers crossed.
I initially thought the same but having seen other games I have a different perspective now.
I believe the short quarters massively favour the teams which have prepared early and punished though which have held off for later in the season ie Tigers Wce Giants.
The prepared sides run to defend the back 50 and force midfield turnovers hard knowing they dont have to maintain this for more than 3 shortened quarters.
It makes scoring against them very hard especially at night.
They fatigue in the last but play to be far enough ahead to hold on...witness us v Pies and Blues v Cats to name 2.
Those teams not yet fit enough cannot go with them and look hopelessly slow..ie us.
So.....is the RFC prepared for this and playing the long game ?
I hope so. If so we just need to make the 8 then come home at full pace while others like Pies and Hawks tire.
Fingers crossed.
Bloody hope so, otherwise we just look like we lack hunger and fitness.
Given the way the club has been run for the last few years you would think they are well organised but the disruptions are unprecedented.
DS
It's fitness and it's an easy fix. We don't play pretty football at the best of times so when we lack energy and pressure we look woeful. I wouldn't worry too much at this stage - when our fitness and pressure is back tiger fans will realise they were worried for nothing. We've been the best team in the past 3 years and most of our best players are currently at their peak. It's gonna be fun watching those rejoicing at our form slump when we start to slap teams off the park again.
My view is the short quarters are what a killing us... How many times over the last couple of years have so many of us on here stated that a club may go with us for a couple of quarters but cant maintain the rage for the full game. Well this short version only gives them 3/4 of a normal game when we wud go beserk for the other 1/4 and run and blow them off the ground...... I hate with a pasion all these bloody rule changes of which zero suit the Tiger game plan. Old man Cats however seem to love it.
Blueprint? There’s no enemy blueprint.
There’s a shitload of rust on our side, as befits a premiership team looking to launch at the right time, but no blueprint.
There’s a shitload of rust on our side, as befits a premiership team looking to launch at the right time, but no blueprint.
I think people are overthinking this.
The rhetoric in the media since Thursday has been how Clarko devised a gameplan to beat us by putting McEvoy behind the ball. That only worked because we bombed the ball which IMO was mainly a result of our skills which were way below standard. How many easy missed handballs, handballs to feet did we have on Thursday night? That lack of skill and fumbling, invited pressure on us and then we had to rush the ball forward.
If we had handled the ball better on Thursday we would have made McEvoy look stupid as we would have run the ball around him, he's a slow dinosaur (hence why he's a ruck) but playing as a tall defender would not have worked. We'd have run it round him or we would have been able to hit up Jack or Lynch easier on a lead if we had moved the ball better.
The best way for us to defend is our offence, its the opposite of the pies gameplan which is flood the defence and rebound from there, which IMO is far more taxing on the fitness which is why they tend to fade towards the end of quarters. Our forward gameplan allows us to take territory and then setup our defense which is then too hard to breakthrough as we have great intercept players back there.
Fix the offence and IMO you fix the easiness of the ball coming inside our D50.
The rhetoric in the media since Thursday has been how Clarko devised a gameplan to beat us by putting McEvoy behind the ball. That only worked because we bombed the ball which IMO was mainly a result of our skills which were way below standard. How many easy missed handballs, handballs to feet did we have on Thursday night? That lack of skill and fumbling, invited pressure on us and then we had to rush the ball forward.
If we had handled the ball better on Thursday we would have made McEvoy look stupid as we would have run the ball around him, he's a slow dinosaur (hence why he's a ruck) but playing as a tall defender would not have worked. We'd have run it round him or we would have been able to hit up Jack or Lynch easier on a lead if we had moved the ball better.
The best way for us to defend is our offence, its the opposite of the pies gameplan which is flood the defence and rebound from there, which IMO is far more taxing on the fitness which is why they tend to fade towards the end of quarters. Our forward gameplan allows us to take territory and then setup our defense which is then too hard to breakthrough as we have great intercept players back there.
Fix the offence and IMO you fix the easiness of the ball coming inside our D50.
You make an excellent point that was further underlined by Clarko himself that fatigue set in eventually with us dominating last Q 17-2 i50 yet still struggled to score due to other probs with players out of form
1. The 2019 Grand Final gives us a really good insight into what is happening at present. What happened during the missing last four minutes of each quarter In that game?
In the first quarter, we kicked both of our goals during this period. In the second, it was 2 out of 5. In the third it was another 2 and in the last quarter we kicked a whopping four goals late.
That is roughly half our score kicked during the last 20% of each quarter when the opposition have been worn down.
We have feasted on fatigue for three years. Now they just jump us us early and hang on for a few minutes until the break. Meanwhile, we are just getting started when it all ends.
2. When the opposition defenders mark the ball and don’t play on, they can’t be tackled. That is why tackles are down. Playing on invites tackles. Blame Buckley for this one.
3. Our back men like to stay together. Our whole defensive system is about having a 4 on 3 contest, or a 3 on 2. We don’t cope with one on ones anywhere near as well. Clarkson exploited this successfully.
4. This is the big one for me. For years, teams have been trying to lock the ball in their forward line. They do this by moving their defenders forward and building a defensive wall between centre and half forward. This leaves half the ground available for mayhem when we turn it over and Rioli, Castagna and co get on their bikes.
Both Collingwood and Hawthorn left their intercept defenders deep. They weren‘t able to lock the ball in as easily but they were able to blunt us on turnover.
Some adjustment is needed.
In the first quarter, we kicked both of our goals during this period. In the second, it was 2 out of 5. In the third it was another 2 and in the last quarter we kicked a whopping four goals late.
That is roughly half our score kicked during the last 20% of each quarter when the opposition have been worn down.
We have feasted on fatigue for three years. Now they just jump us us early and hang on for a few minutes until the break. Meanwhile, we are just getting started when it all ends.
2. When the opposition defenders mark the ball and don’t play on, they can’t be tackled. That is why tackles are down. Playing on invites tackles. Blame Buckley for this one.
3. Our back men like to stay together. Our whole defensive system is about having a 4 on 3 contest, or a 3 on 2. We don’t cope with one on ones anywhere near as well. Clarkson exploited this successfully.
4. This is the big one for me. For years, teams have been trying to lock the ball in their forward line. They do this by moving their defenders forward and building a defensive wall between centre and half forward. This leaves half the ground available for mayhem when we turn it over and Rioli, Castagna and co get on their bikes.
Both Collingwood and Hawthorn left their intercept defenders deep. They weren‘t able to lock the ball in as easily but they were able to blunt us on turnover.
Some adjustment is needed.
Could i add point 5 to a top analysis.
5. Defence outlets are squeezed at halfback.
We probs run it up the guts more than any other side, so have hawks n pies put more numbers there?
We didnt provide enough options and players presenting , like we were waiting for someone else to break free.
Both games we have looked for options, then gone very wide and then down the line.
They have starved our rebound run.
This was our great method.
We need a tweak to our positioning for rebound d50s
5. Defence outlets are squeezed at halfback.
We probs run it up the guts more than any other side, so have hawks n pies put more numbers there?
We didnt provide enough options and players presenting , like we were waiting for someone else to break free.
Both games we have looked for options, then gone very wide and then down the line.
They have starved our rebound run.
This was our great method.
We need a tweak to our positioning for rebound d50s
good stuff mate. Here are some possible tactics to fix these issues:
1) Hold firm on tried and true tactics of tempo. We are rusty. Sometimes it’s braver to do nothing and trust in the group. When the oppo blitzes us early doors, they are Swiss cheese the other way. There are opportunities we can exploit but the problem has been poor execution. Provided we execute the following, I think this factor will look after itself in time.
2) play caddy back forward to “tag” the interceptor. focus on bringing entries to ground. scrub kicks if necessary to bring sausage and George into play.
3) defensive midfielder time. If the oppo wants to commit men forward and make our backs accountable, then we’ll just stack the backline. KMac can go back to be the +1.
4) see point 2. play Caddy as a forward tagger. He’s dangerous and smart enough to demand attention and create space as a decoy.
most of all though, we will gradually ramp up our intensity.
when that happens, oppo plans tend to fall apart like tissue paper.
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