Tanking are you sick of it?

[dcstar]

Simply give sides a financial reward for their finishing ladder position - the higher up the ladder the more the club gets (I believe that this is called reward for achievement - something the AFL doesn't do well these days).

If a team finishing 14th got $200K more from the AFL than the one finishing 16th, I bet "tanking" would disappear overnight.

 

[BrisTiger24]

Simply give sides a financial reward for their finishing ladder position - the higher up the ladder the more the club gets (I believe that this is called reward for achievement - something the AFL doesn't do well these days).

If a team finishing 14th got $200K more from the AFL than the one finishing 16th, I bet "tanking" would disappear overnight.

That's one way of tackling it. Make clubs weigh up the balance between financial reward and draft picks.

 

[TigerForce]

Simply give sides a financial reward for their finishing ladder position - the higher up the ladder the more the club gets (I believe that this is called reward for achievement - something the AFL doesn't do well these days).

If a team finishing 14th got $200K more from the AFL than the one finishing 16th, I bet "tanking" would disappear overnight.

Fat Cat Adolf won't allow it.

 

[dcstar]

That's one way of tackling it. Make clubs weigh up the balance between financial reward and draft picks.

Not just clubs, come Round 22 if a club said to its players "Win this game and put us up one spot hight on the ladder and the playing group can have a $50K bonus to share among themselves" I reckon it would certainly add some interest to what may well be a proverbial "Dead rubber" game.

Always back self-interest if you want some motivation for a contest.........

 

[CarnTheTiges]

Everyone is fed up with it, but as long as Adolf Demetriou is running the show it won't go away, because he is physically incapable of admitting that he was ever wrong about anything and so won't change the current system and until it changes tanking or the perception of it will be an issue.

 

[premiers2011]

Bring on free agency.
That will even the comp out

 

[the claw]

I thought the draft order after 15 rounds was a good idea too, some say it would encourage sides to give up earlier, as some of the worst performing sides are often struggling with barely a win or two at that stage.

Not sure about that but I think a bigger concern might be good sides using that to dip into the talent pool and then still slipping into the finals consistently if they can orchestrate good winning streaks later in the year which many teams have done over the years to make the finals.

It's a tough one, I'm not really sold on a lottery either. Imagine finishing bottom two years in a row and happening to draw the 4th pick both years, that would suck as a supporter.

bottom 4 lottery hmm.so its 5 rounds to go you cant make the 8 you have 7 wins sit in 12th place and if you dont win any of the last 5 you can get a crack at the number 1 pick.

as is seen by us you can finish 9th one season and still require assistance. if you regularly finish outside the 8 say 3 or more yrs in a row then a review panel should look at that struggling club and work out what assistance in the draft it will recieve.

 

[achillesjones]

I think the claw is right here.
Perhaps the whole thing needs to go to an independent panel where an agreed formula is applied that takes into consideration a range of factors.
We have shown in recent years that end of season wins are easy to come by and fairly meaningless.
There is a real sense of justice about the round 15 models.
...Come to think of it, who would get first choice if the criteria was least successful over the last 25 years??

 

[the claw]

I think the claw is right here.
Perhaps the whole thing needs to go to an independent panel where an agreed formula is applied that takes into consideration a range of factors.
We have shown in recent years that end of season wins are easy to come by and fairly meaningless.
There is a real sense of justice about the round 15 models.
...Come to think of it, who would get first choice if the criteria was least successful over the last 25 years??

i think the two worst performed clubs over the last 3 yrs would be freo and richmond. i dont think to many would argue that these two teams are the most needy of a pp. perhaps melb is there as well.

 

[White Lightning]

Not a bad effort Harry, but I thought the idea of the draft was to ensure the bottom teams had the opportunity to pick up the best kids first ??? I wouldn't like the idea of a team finishing 9th having the chance of picking the no. 1 draft pick, just doesn't seem fair..

I am not a fan of the idea of the lottery as this would not erradicate the tanking issue as teams that are falling just outside the criteria would tank to give themselves a chance the fall within prized lottery position.

We just some how need to get rid of the priority pick...

 

[ZeroGame]

Don't they do this in the NBA? Would any NBA heads care to comment on this? Does it eradicate tanking in the NBA?

You need to remember that tanking in the NBA is a much bigger issue given a single player makes up 20% of the starting team. Stay down for two years and you have half your starting side sorted out for the next 5-10 years as long as you can keep them from leaving.
One player in a side of 18 has a far lesser impact.


As for the financial reward to reduce tanking, that was Terry Wallace's idea back when the new TV rights deal was done. The idea was $100k per win to distribute the new funds.

 

[the claw]

the best system imo is to have a complete lottery for the bottom 8 teams - ie one ball for each team in the barrel. all teams that do not make the finals have an equal chance at the no. 1 pick. this way there will be absolutely no incentive for a team to tank. no priorities.

the order for the top 8 goes from 8th to first. ie pick 9 to 16.

to make it more even the second round would go in the opposite order for the bottom 8 teams, and again in it's original order for round 3, and so on.

the top 8 teams order stays the same.

the team that got the no.1 pick via the lottery would have picks 1, 24, 33, 56, 65, 88
the team that got the no.8 pick via the lottery would have picks 8, 17, 40, 49, 72, 81
the premier would get 16, 32, 48, 64, 80.

if a team can't get it's sh!t together with top 8 picks year after year then it's their problem, and the afl can assist them financially to improve their recruiting and development.

the best way to kill tanking and any talk of it.

if they go a lottery thats the best system ive seen harold.

 

[marella jube]

Hits the core of the sport’s credibility …..Dump the priority pick & perhaps assess & compare club ladder standings over a ‘rolling’ 10 year interval & allocate draft order accordingly . May help smooth / negate the ’yo-yo’ effects . Don’t mind the suggestion of one of the Age journos , dubbed the ‘Richmond reform’, to reward the 9th place team with the 1st selection in the second round (no.17) .

 

[Harry]

the best system imo is to have a complete lottery for the bottom 8 teams - ie one ball for each team in the barrel. all teams that do not make the finals have an equal chance at the no. 1 pick. this way there will be absolutely no incentive for a team to tank. no priorities.

the order for the top 8 goes from 8th to first. ie pick 9 to 16.

to make it more even the second round would go in the opposite order for the bottom 8 teams, and again in it's original order for round 3, and so on.

the top 8 teams order stays the same.

the team that got the no.1 pick via the lottery would have picks 1, 24, 33, 56, 65, 88
the team that got the no.8 pick via the lottery would have picks 8, 17, 40, 49, 72, 81
the premier would get 16, 32, 48, 64, 80.

if a team can't get it's sh!t together with top 8 picks year after year then it's their problem, and the afl can assist them financially to improve their recruiting and development.

the best way to kill tanking and any talk of it.

re-thought this concept -

complete lottery for the bottom 8 only, then take the ladder order for the rest of the national draft, ie 8th placed team get pick 9, 7th pick 10 etc...........round 2 - bottom team gets 17, second bottom 18 and so on.

so even if the wooden spooners are unlucky enough to draw pick 8 out of the hat they'll be compensated by the first pick of each subsequent round - ie picks 17, 33, 49 etc.

a club should be able to get its act together with consecutive top 8 picks (unless they are richmond). if they can't then let them wallow in their own mediocrity and the afl can help em out somehow without priority picks.

no priorities and a lottery for picks 1 to 8 will eliminate any talk of tanking and some credibility will be restored in the game.

 

[AstuteTiger]

the best system imo is to have a complete lottery for the bottom 8 teams - ie one ball for each team in the barrel. all teams that do not make the finals have an equal chance at the no. 1 pick. this way there will be absolutely no incentive for a team to tank. no priorities.

the order for the top 8 goes from 8th to first. ie pick 9 to 16.

to make it more even the second round would go in the opposite order for the bottom 8 teams, and again in it's original order for round 3, and so on.

the top 8 teams order stays the same.

the team that got the no.1 pick via the lottery would have picks 1, 24, 33, 56, 65, 88
the team that got the no.8 pick via the lottery would have picks 8, 17, 40, 49, 72, 81
the premier would get 16, 32, 48, 64, 80.

if a team can't get it's sh!t together with top 8 picks year after year then it's their problem, and the afl can assist them financially to improve their recruiting and development.

the best way to kill tanking and any talk of it.

re-thought this concept -

complete lottery for the bottom 8 only, then take the ladder order for the rest of the national draft, ie 8th placed team get pick 9, 7th pick 10 etc...........round 2 - bottom team gets 17, second bottom 18 and so on.

so even if the wooden spooners are unlucky enough to draw pick 8 out of the hat they'll be compensated by the first pick of each subsequent round - ie picks 17, 33, 49 etc.

a club should be able to get its act together with consecutive top 8 picks (unless they are richmond). if they can't then let them wallow in their own mediocrity and the afl can help em out somehow without priority picks.

no priorities and a lottery for picks 1 to 8 will eliminate any talk of tanking and some credibility will be restored in the game.

I like it Harry, was thinking about what u were saying for the 2nd round and so on as i wasnt 100% sure on it but u modified it a little later, i reckon its spot on, email Vlad and Co to implement it ASAP, or have them sit on it till 2013 when GC and WC have exhausted all their freebie pics in 2010, 2011 and 2012

 

[tigerdave]

Saints have Tanked nicely this week.... 8)

 

[Streak]

I wonder what the AFLs thinking on this tanking issue really is. It is painfully obvious that tanking is going on, despite the denials of Vlad, KB and a few others. Yeah, the players themselves might not tank, but coaches clearly aren't unhappy if their team doesn't win, and make obvious positional changes to ensure the chances of winning are less.

And I think your average footy fan is certain tanking is occuring and is over it. Clearly the current system doesn't work, and there have been many suggestions on how to improve it that could be enacted immediately.

So why the inaction from the AFL? There is something going on here. Are they are obviously happy with the tanking debate distracting the media and footballing public from another issue or agenda?

 

[IanG]

So why the inaction from the AFL? There is something going on here. Are they are obviously happy with the tanking debate distracting the media and footballing public from another issue or agenda?

Because the AFL are now in bed with various betting companies they can't admit anything with regard to tanking. But I think you will find that the PP will disappear from next year onwards due to the entry of GC and won't be back, the PP rules for next year still haven't been finalised. They'll then probably assess how it goes simply without a PP before looking at other options like a lottery.

 

[Tigerfan]

I have to be honest here

I've just had a look at the ladder and I know I'll be quietly barracking for WCE and Melb next weekend

 

[TIGEREXTRA]

WCE should win, but no certainies, as for Melb the saints will smash them.

I knew that we would rue that win V melb that should of been a loss. Darn mcMuffin!!