Just wish the tanking talk would go away would much rather ponder who is going to coach the Tigers or how the eight may look at the end of the year.
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Tanking are you sick of it?
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Harry said:
Yep, send him off to Telstra or BHP. Better still, get him a job as Rio Tinto's new man in China.
U2Tigers said:
Yes I'm sick of it but to say its no-ones fault here is wrong. The fact that we now have people calling for us to tank not to get a PP but to marginally improve our draft position is evidence of that. I don;t doubt these same people would call for us to tank even if the draft became a lottery, its a hysterical overreaction.
I reckon if Melbourne were tanking they are rubbish at that too. A kick after the siren to win is cutting it fine!
BTW - I think Demetriou will be on the phone to the MFC this week advising them that he expects he red hot effort this year. He may also raise some issues with their 'wish list' for next season's draw :rofl
Not that the AFL is a dictatorship!
BTW - I think Demetriou will be on the phone to the MFC this week advising them that he expects he red hot effort this year. He may also raise some issues with their 'wish list' for next season's draw :rofl
Not that the AFL is a dictatorship!
IanG said:
I don't blame others for thinking it at all. I couldn't do it, but I have definitely thought about it and felt torn between winning and losing.
Its the situation - its the inability of the powers at the AFL to do anything that are ruining this game.
Its the fact that tanking is allowed to flourish in this game that is making it the topic we cannot be rid of, and unfortunately thats the reason its being discussed on here. its the topic and debate I'm sick of, not the people debating it.
rosy23 said:
Agreed. Its just like rubbing salt into a wound knowing that Melbourne will get the best two kids from this years draft and one of them wanted to play for the tigers.
I'm sick of all the talk about it. I'm sick of us never using it to its full advantage while seeing other clubs using.
The only simple solution is to get rid of the benefits from doing it.
The only simple solution is to get rid of the benefits from doing it.
There are two key questions:
1. Does the current system create situations where its in a team's best interest to lose? (ie higher draft picks, priority)?
2. If so, should the team act on that best interest (and tank)?
While the 'win at all costs and create a winning culture' argument has merit, so does the 'lose meaningless games to gain draft advantages' argument.
So which is the winning argument? I don't know, and I don't care - the moment I hestitated in my desire to win to contemplate the question, I lost all passion for the game.
The bottom line is this: Even if the AFL sincerely and seriously believe that (a) there is never any incentive to lose, and
(b) even if there was, a club would never tank,
... the mere fact that fans we are contemplating it is a real, serious problem needing urgent attention.
At the end of the year, they must
- script priority picks
- make the first 8 picks a lottery
1. Does the current system create situations where its in a team's best interest to lose? (ie higher draft picks, priority)?
2. If so, should the team act on that best interest (and tank)?
While the 'win at all costs and create a winning culture' argument has merit, so does the 'lose meaningless games to gain draft advantages' argument.
So which is the winning argument? I don't know, and I don't care - the moment I hestitated in my desire to win to contemplate the question, I lost all passion for the game.
The bottom line is this: Even if the AFL sincerely and seriously believe that (a) there is never any incentive to lose, and
(b) even if there was, a club would never tank,
... the mere fact that fans we are contemplating it is a real, serious problem needing urgent attention.
At the end of the year, they must
- script priority picks
- make the first 8 picks a lottery
Disco08 said:
I thought the draft order after 15 rounds was a good idea too, some say it would encourage sides to give up earlier, as some of the worst performing sides are often struggling with barely a win or two at that stage.
Not sure about that but I think a bigger concern might be good sides using that to dip into the talent pool and then still slipping into the finals consistently if they can orchestrate good winning streaks later in the year which many teams have done over the years to make the finals.
It's a tough one, I'm not really sold on a lottery either. Imagine finishing bottom two years in a row and happening to draw the 4th pick both years, that would suck as a supporter.
Dyer Disciple said:
I like the general thrust of TOT70's system.
Tiger74 said:I think the Dees have moved on from talking about tanking. If this headline is right, I think Mrs. Bailey has bigger concerns right now :hihi
Demons coach vows to keep experimenting
They're playing everyone for fools this week.
the best system imo is to have a complete lottery for the bottom 8 teams - ie one ball for each team in the barrel. all teams that do not make the finals have an equal chance at the no. 1 pick. this way there will be absolutely no incentive for a team to tank. no priorities.
the order for the top 8 goes from 8th to first. ie pick 9 to 16.
to make it more even the second round would go in the opposite order for the bottom 8 teams, and again in it's original order for round 3, and so on.
the top 8 teams order stays the same.
the team that got the no.1 pick via the lottery would have picks 1, 24, 33, 56, 65, 88
the team that got the no.8 pick via the lottery would have picks 8, 17, 40, 49, 72, 81
the premier would get 16, 32, 48, 64, 80.
if a team can't get it's *smile* together with top 8 picks year after year then it's their problem, and the afl can assist them financially to improve their recruiting and development.
the best way to kill tanking and any talk of it.
the order for the top 8 goes from 8th to first. ie pick 9 to 16.
to make it more even the second round would go in the opposite order for the bottom 8 teams, and again in it's original order for round 3, and so on.
the top 8 teams order stays the same.
the team that got the no.1 pick via the lottery would have picks 1, 24, 33, 56, 65, 88
the team that got the no.8 pick via the lottery would have picks 8, 17, 40, 49, 72, 81
the premier would get 16, 32, 48, 64, 80.
if a team can't get it's *smile* together with top 8 picks year after year then it's their problem, and the afl can assist them financially to improve their recruiting and development.
the best way to kill tanking and any talk of it.
If there was to be a lottery then I wouldn't agree with it being 1 ball per teamHarry said:
The team in 16th spot gets 8 balls, 15th gets 7, 14 gets 6, etc.
It means the worst team still has the highest chance of all the others in getting the early pick they need to develop, however there is no guarantee as they only have a 22% chance of getting the 1st pick.
ZeroGame said:
Don't they do this in the NBA? Would any NBA heads care to comment on this? Does it eradicate tanking in the NBA?
