Talking Politics

[Six Pack]

of course they have select entry. many are single sex, many can ask students to leave if they aren't performing. Putting a price on enrolment excludes those who can't pay. Whats inclusive about that?


State schools have to take everyone.



And why are u so abusive?

 

[Liverpool]

And stop making the assumption that the quality of education in private schools is superior to that in govt schools. Another generalisation.

Spot on SixPack :clap:

http://www.news-medical.net/?id=9169

Check this out too:

http://www.pipalya.com/rlt/public/six-myths.html

Agree with Liverpool. Let the poor eat worms and grubs so us rich folk can enjoy our lives. I say cut all social welfare, public education and public hospitals and let everyone fend for themselves.

:hihi....very dramatic Harry....and sarcastic also.

Agree with Tiger74's idea about vouchers, but only for people on a type of welfare that can be changed if they want it to, such as the dole.
Too much of the dole gets spent on tattoos, cigarettes, and Playstation.
If they have only food/clothing vouchers to use, and not much money left over, it might encourage some of these habitual bludgers to get off the couch and get a job.

Regarding public/private schools....I have no problem with the current system, and the only people complaining are people who are envious and jealous of people who have a few extra $$$ than them.
In many cases, students who have a public school education are better equipped at university and life in general, because they have had to work hard to get there, compared to private school students who may have had things handed to them on a platter.
Quality of education is NOT just about the school that has the biggest fees.

I also have no problem with the hospitals, except for the waiting period in some cases.
But then again, if you pay for private health cover, then you can have a choice of hospital, doctor, and room to stay in....and so you should if you are willing to invest your money into your health, rather than other luxuries.

As for fending for themselves....for a start, people need to take responsibility for their own life, and stop trying to handball or blame everyone else for their situation. There are jobs out there...go to Seek and check it out....and there are short-courses and TAFE classes abound for people who may have dropped out of high-school early and realise they are on the path to nowhere.
The problem is, many people don't care......it's just excuses and excuses about why they CAN'T do something instead of doing something about it.
They would rather take the easy path...sit around whingeing and complaining waiting for their handout.
It's pathetic walking down Chapel Street or Swanston Street...people just sitting there with some writing in chalk, asking for money.
Why don't they get off their arse, clean themselves up, and earn their own money?
In this day, in the 21st century..there is NO NEED for anyone to be sitting on the side of the street asking for money.....its simply rubbish.

Most (98%) don't have selective testing.
...and there are an increasing number of state schools that do.
Talk facts not *smile*.

Don't hold your breath T-rob...

 

[t-rob]

In many cases, students who have a public school education are better equipped at university and life in general, because they have had to work hard to get there, compared to private school students who may have had things handed to them on a platter.
Quality of education is NOT just about the school that has the biggest fees.

The problem is that so few get to University (in comparison) and...

...the second year Uni drop out rate is the great hidden scandal of the more expensive private schools.

but don't judge all private schools by the so-called "elite" schools

 

[barty boy]

Livers you seem to suggest that the people sitting on pavements asking for money or feeding off the teat of the community is some sort of gathering mass.
I would say this is not the case and that a large percentage of the population is what is commonly called these days as the working poor....hardly bludgers one would think

 

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[Six Pack]

When is the handover?

 

[Disco08]

lol, that's gold. I saw youtube has footage of Rudd getting wax out of his ear and eating it during parliament.

 

[Tiger74]

Liv, you missed the point of vouchers. They are used to replace a lot of the direct Fed and State Govt contributions, so they apply to ALL students. The point is to get education away from a case by case subsidy arrangement which can be distorted, to one where each child get the same voucher value, and its equal for all.

You should love it, George W tried to do this in the States but got shot down.

 

[Liverpool]

Liv, you missed the point of vouchers. They are used to replace a lot of the direct Fed and State Govt contributions, so they apply to ALL students. The point is to get education away from a case by case subsidy arrangement which can be distorted, to one where each child get the same voucher value, and its equal for all.
You should love it, George W tried to do this in the States but got shot down.

I still don't believe it should be introduced into the education system, whether George Bush liked the idea or not.

I think a system like this should only be introduced where people are using government funding to support themselves for a perceived short term, NOT a long term.
Example: the dole.
The dole is for people to get some money to stay afloat until they find a job....any job.
"Dole bludging" shouldn't be a career choice, which it seems to be at the moment for many people.

Livers you seem to suggest that the people sitting on pavements asking for money or feeding off the teat of the community is some sort of gathering mass.
I would say this is not the case and that a large percentage of the population is what is commonly called these days as the working poor....hardly bludgers one would think

Let me ask you this Barty...WHY are there people on the sidewalk at all, asking for money?

 

[barty boy]

livers my point is that in a population of several million what % does this represent?its miniscule one would think

 

[Liverpool]

livers my point is that in a population of several million what % does this represent?its miniscule one would think

Go down to any Centrelink office any day of the week (especially on dole day) and you'll see them swarm in like bees to honey.
Usually close to lunch time...you know, they have a lot on their schedule in the mornings, like sleep and sleep :....but by close to lunch time, they flood into the Centrelink, and then round to the local chicken shop to get some breakfast into their 2 year old kid with a rat-tail and fake tattoo on his arm... :hihi

It may be a small percentage like this Barty....by my question is, WHY are there people in Chapel Street or Swanston Street hassling people going about their own affairs, asking for money, at all?

 

[barty boy]

beggars and chapel street just doesnt seem to roll off the tongue......lol

 

[Liverpool]

Gee, little ol' Ray has always been one of howard's favorites. What's changed?

Agree 100% with Bolt:


http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22637875-25717,00.html

 

[Liverpool]

SixPack,
If you're there mate....see your Greens leader isn't too happy with The Echo agreeing with Howard, on marriage is between a man and a woman, NOT the same-sex. :hihi

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22638932-5013871,00.html

 

[Disco08]

Why would he be happy, he is actually against discrimination?

 

[Liverpool]

Why would he be happy, he is actually against discrimination?

I said Brown ISN'T too happy with Rudd's stance (or should I say Rudd agreeing with Howard's stance). ???

And I'm sure SixPack isn't happy with Rudd either because he a Greenie...so...don't know where you're coming from Disco?

 

[jb03]

Brown is a buffoon. How he gets to lead a political party is a mystery and the free ride he gets from the press is also a mystery.

 

[an_oxford_man]

Latham did the same thing last election. Clearly the AnotherLiberalParty doesn't think that people are ready to embrace gays as equals. They're probably right.

LMAO at Bolt. "How honest is this Left-lurching station"!!!! He's *smile* kidding isn't he? Channel 9, left lurching? No idea. As for the channel nine phone poll that Howard won, not surprising in the slightest given the Ch9 demographic.

Surely there isn't any argument about who won the debate... is there? Rudd annihilated him surely? I don't understand what the big deal is... Beazley and Latham were too good for him AND according to some right wing bloke on crikey.com, he struggled with a comatose Paul Keating. Clearly debating isn't his strong point. Rudd correctly pointed out on several occasions that Howard was attempting to evade questions... which is apparently "okay", in everyday questioning... but in a debate, he must be deducted points for each failed evasion. Surely?

 

[jb03]

LMAO at Bolt. "How honest is this Left-lurching station"!!!! He's *smile*ing kidding isn't he?

:hihi That made me laugh too Gyps.

 

[Azza]

Azza,

I think too many of you have a chip on your shoulder regarding people who have money and you have some sort of jealousy towards the private school sector, because at the end of the day, if an individual has a talent, has an initiative to learn, and to do well for themselves...they will do it, regardless of a private or public school education.

These "qualities of education" that public schools may have now would be in jeopardy if private school subsidies were withdrawn....and as I and T-Rob has said...an overcrowding of public school due to private school childern having to go back to the public school sector, would put the 'quality of education' you speak about under a lot of pressure....all because a few people have a chip on their shoulders.

:rofl If those 2 cracks were aimed at me Livers, they demonstrate 2 things:
1 - Your judgement of individual peoples background and motives is woeful. You should be aware of this failing before condemning people as you so frequently do;
2 - You have a narrow immediately materialistic frame of reference. This narrow-mindedness is not something to be proud of, but intellectually crippling.