Steve Hocking

[Harry]

What the anti-richmond rules have done is enable teams to clear the forward press easier. So in effect the ball is now ping ponging from 50m arc to 50m arc. Circle work. In effect it has made scoring harder as the teams that were good at applying the forward press were able to create the turnover and score.

 

[mrposhman]

What the anti-richmond rules have done is enable teams to clear the forward press easier. So in effect the ball is now ping ponging from 50m arc to 50m arc. Circle work. In effect it has made scoring harder as the teams that were good at applying the forward press were able to create the turnover and score.

Correct.

Please tell me where in these stats there has been an improvement in offence??

These are averages per team in each year (I've ignored 2020 for the reduced game times). All I see is no improvement in anything from what he's done, bar drop inside 50 numbers and remove the contest. More "free flowing" ball movement has not led to an improvement in scores per inside 50.

 

[AngryAnt]

Yes, as other have mentioned, knee-jerk rule changes have unintended consequences.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

This is where it all began.

Chris Scott warns of rush to shut down opposition in wake of Richmond’ premiership success (paywalled)

GEELONG coach Chris Scott has warned of the potential aesthetic issues AFL footy may face in the wake of Richmond’s groundbreaking premiership.

As every side tries to reach footy’s pinnacle, Scott suggested shutting down the opposition — as the Tigers were able to do to the Crows — could become the major focus.

“I think every side will say ‘If we can’t pressure really well, we’re going to have to be unbelievable at everything else’.

“Which is going to be a bit of a problem for the AFL because more and more, as an industry, we’re trying to open the game up.

“But we keep getting reminded that if you can close the opposition down, you’re halfway there — more than halfway there.”

Richmond kicked 16 goals you cokcsucker!

Sh!t on the liver after being pantsed in the Qualifying Final. Salty saw the writing on the wall. He had Hocking's ear and Hocking had the media led by Whateley contrive a stink about "state of the game" in early 2018.

At least we pulled off two more flags before the Geelong cartel got us. *smile*.

 

[mrposhman]

Yes, as other have mentioned, knee-jerk rule changes have unintended consequences.

Would love to know what KPI's Hocking was trying to change. We the mere public don't get told yet it would appear to be an abject failure if the aim was to imporve scoring. No improvement whatsoever, but removing parts of our game that fans love so much, ie tackling and the contest

 

[Harry]

This is where it all began.

Chris Scott warns of rush to shut down opposition in wake of Richmond’ premiership success (paywalled)


Richmond kicked 16 goals you cokcsucker!

Sh!t on the liver after being pantsed in the Qualifying Final. Salty saw the writing on the wall. He had Hocking's ear and Hocking had the media led by Whateley contrive a stink about "state of the game" in early 2018.

At least we pulled off two more flags before the Geelong cartel got us. *smile*.

Exactly Lee.

This farkwit has been harping on about us from the beginning and there's been a concerted effort by the AFL and media and rule changes to bring us down. I've never seen anything so obvious and contrived in my life. "State of the game" my arse. They can get *smile* !!

I remember listening to that salty prick trying to sound semi intelligent telling us how we should think about the game with his sly remark "do we really want the game to look like this" after we smashed the crows in 2017 GF.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Exactly Lee.

This farkwit has been harping on about us from the beginning and there's been a concerted effort by the AFL and media and rule changes to bring us down. I've never seen anything so obvious and contrived in my life. "State of the game" my arse. They can get *smile* !!

"More Dusty moments" was such an obvious concealment of the goal to produce less Dusty moments.

 

[TigerFurious]

This is where it all began.

Chris Scott warns of rush to shut down opposition in wake of Richmond’ premiership success (paywalled)


Richmond kicked 16 goals you cokcsucker!

Sh!t on the liver after being pantsed in the Qualifying Final. Salty saw the writing on the wall. He had Hocking's ear and Hocking had the media led by Whateley contrive a stink about "state of the game" in early 2018.

At least we pulled off two more flags before the Geelong cartel got us. *smile*.

And it was merely a coincidence that all subsequent rule changes have benefited contested possession and ball retention focused, high possession sides like Geelong.

 

[DuD_Delist]

Use to be an interested watcher of other games.
Now only a passing interest.
Well done Steve.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

And it was merely a coincidence that all subsequent rule changes have benefited contested possession and ball retention focused, high possession sides like Geelong.

Read: old, slow sides like Geelong.

Maybe that's what Hardwick was attempting to switch to on Friday night. Sad.

 

[Harry]

And it was merely a coincidence that all subsequent rule changes have benefited contested possession and ball retention focused, high possession sides like Geelong.

Slow ball movement, chip chip, uncontested marking is exactly how I don't want the game to look like.

 

[DavidSSS]

Interesting stats Poshman. One measure of congestion you can use is tackle numbers since tackles tend to be a major part of congestion. Although the tackle count has reduced slightly this year and your figures show they have been falling it is worth putting this in a longer context and go back further. If we look back to 1999 it looks like this:



So, yes, tackles are down on the numbers we have seen since 2010, but historically they remain very high.

The game has become all about finding space, and to a lesser extent this year gaining territory, which is why we are seeing so much chipping around. To get a semi-pressured or unpressured disposal has become a lot harder over many years but these rules are not really helping. I know they want a more free flowing game, but this is not going to be fixed by stupid things like having a scarecrow on the mark, what might fix it is allowing the player pursuing the ball to do so unmolested.

DS

 

[shad]

Yes, as other have mentioned, knee-jerk rule changes have unintended consequences.

I think you will find that most on here canned that rule before the season even started.

 

[DavidSSS]

This is where it all began.

Chris Scott warns of rush to shut down opposition in wake of Richmond’ premiership success (paywalled)


Richmond kicked 16 goals you cokcsucker!

Sh!t on the liver after being pantsed in the Qualifying Final. Salty saw the writing on the wall. He had Hocking's ear and Hocking had the media led by Whateley contrive a stink about "state of the game" in early 2018.

At least we pulled off two more flags before the Geelong cartel got us. *smile*.

That is an interesting one. I figure they were pissed off when Geelong only managed 5 goals in he 2017 QF. If you look at the whole finals series in 2017 we likely restricted our opposition to the lowest scores on average, but we also managed to score over 100 points twice which no other team did. So, the argument that Richmond was just strangling the opposition is crap, we were also scoring.

DS

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

That is an interesting one. I figure they were pissed off when Geelong only managed 5 goals in he 2017 QF. If you look at the whole finals series in 2017 we likely restricted our opposition to the lowest scores on average, but we also managed to score over 100 points twice which no other team did. So, the argument that Richmond was just strangling the opposition is crap, we were also scoring.

DS

From 2018-current, excluding 2020 where the shorter quarters worked against us, we're the highest-scoring team (90ppg). We're not exactly Sydney which won a flag as the 14th-highest scorer (from 16 teams).

 

[AngryAnt]

I think you will find that most on here canned that rule before the season even started.

no disagreement from me here either. It sucks, and I hated it from day one. We knew it would suck, just exactly how was the only unknown.

I'm hoping others in the media will take this up now Cornes has.

 

[taztiger4]

As I said to ToO @ Sandi on Saturday, want more scoring ? put the goal posts a further metre or whatever apart.

Easy peasy and every club / ground in Australia could do the same at little cost

 

[Tigers of Old]

As I said to ToO @ Sandi on Saturday, want more scoring ? put the goal posts a further metre or whatever apart.

Easy peasy and every club / ground in Australia could do the same at little cost

Think I said that was simple genius.
Can we wind the rule changes back about 5 years to go with it?

 

[jb03]

As I said to ToO @ Sandi on Saturday, want more scoring ? put the goal posts a further metre or whatever apart.

Easy peasy and every club / ground in Australia could do the same at little cost

Just remove the goal posts. It is 6 or nothing. Scoring will skyrocket.

 

[Harry]

The salty prick planted the seeds back when we won the 17 gf

Where are all the state of the game discussions now?