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State League Recruits

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We have seen in a few articles from the club that they are looking closely at state leagues. Any one who watches a bit of footy got any one to look out for?

Alroy Gilligan, who we delisted from our rookie list last year, has been playing very well with Claremont. He will get picked up again, most likely by a WA club because thats where he will play his best footy.

One I like for us is Kyle Hartigan, 194cm defender. Suprised he was not drafted in his year. He also has a more offensive side of his game these days. Might be a bit slow though?
 
Ready-made VFL players for the AFL draft
Sam Landsberger
From: Herald Sun July 19, 2011

SAM LANDSBERGER assesses the top 10 VFL prospects for the national draft.

AHMED SAAD
Northern Bullants

Position: Small forward; AGE: 21; HEIGHT: 180cm; WEIGHT: 75kg
Similar to: Eddie Betts

In 27 games Saad has become one of the VFL’s elite. With impeccable balance, burst of pace, strong hands and a knack of finding goals he is hot on Kevin Sheedy’s watch list.

Coach Darren Harris: “He’s one that has to be looked at because we’ve seen the effect of small forwards and every club needs them. He needed to improve getting outside 50 and applying pressure and he’s doing that.”

NATHAN BATSANIS
Port Melbourne

Position: Wing; AGE: 23; HEIGHT: 181cm; WEIGHT: 79kg
Similar to: Courtenay Dempsey

The nephew of Collingwood great Peter Daicos spent a year at Port Adelaide but was curtailed by a leg injury. Batsanis has raised the bar this year and turned into a key link-up player.

Coach Gary Ayres: “He has improved his decision making and ball use, which is important when you get it 20-25 times, and he’s a two-way runner.”

SAM GIBSON
Box Hill

Position: Midfielder; AGE: 25; HEIGHT: 184cm; WEIGHT: 82kg
Similar to: Farren Ray

The clock is ticking, but the Hawks captain tops the disposal chart each week and would slot into most AFL midfields as an old-fashioned tough onballer.

Coach Damian Carroll: “If a club wants a guy to go straight in, there wouldn’t be too many ahead of Sam. He’s so consistent with his workrate.”

BRAD MANGAN
Werribee

Position: Key position; AGE: 20; HEIGHT: 190cm; WEIGHT: 95kg
Similar to: Max Rooke

He’s played only 13 games, but AFL clubs are taking a shine to his bull-like aggression, pace off the mark and endurance.

Coach Paul Satterley says: “We think he’s going to appeal to clubs because he’s one of the quickest on our list and he’s starting to play with real physicality and he can play at either end.”

DAVID MIRRA
Box Hill

Position: Half-back; AGE: 20; HEIGHT: 186cm; WEIGHT: 86kg
Similar to: Sam Fisher

Won last year’s Box Hill reserves best-and-fairest. He can play on a range of forwards and offers good drive from half-back.

Coach Carroll says: “He’s done a good apprenticeship and hasn’t looked back this year. He can repel attacks, he’s done a good job on a powerful type like Lynden Dunn and he can play on smalls.”

TIM MOHR
Casey Scorpions

Position: Key defender; AGE: 22; HEIGHT: 195cm; WEIGHT: 98kg
Similar to: Tom Williams

Mohr combines strength and size with a splash of speed. Can pinch-hit in the ruck and is renowned for demolishing opposition attacks and then taking the game on.

Coach Brad Gotch: “He can play on a medium-tall to a really tall. When he’s on, he marks the ball and then takes off and can pump it 60-70m.”

MATTHEW O'DWYER
Werribee Tigers

Position: Half-back; AGE: 22; HEIGHT: 181cm; WEIGHT: 80kg
Similar to: Rhyce Shaw

Delisted after a lack of opportunities at Sydney last year, despite repeatedly racking up more than 50 possessions in the reserves. O’Dwyer is again proving too good for second-tier football with his pinpoint foot skills, dash and rebound from defence.

Coach Paul Satterley: “He’s got the ability to go at the same intensity from start to finish. He’s very creative and can find a lot of the footy.”

MICHAEL STOCKDALE
Casey Scorpions

Position: Back pocket; AGE: 20; HEIGHT: 178cm; WEIGHT: 77kg
Similar to: Jarrod Harbrow

The pint-sized defender’s ability to negate star forwards has risen this season. His dash and creativity are what excites clubs.

Coach Brad Gotch: “He’s done well to improve his one-on-ones, which were a query, because we already knew he's smart, he's quick, he reads the play well and is a good user of the ball.”

WILLIE WHEELER
Coburg Tigers

Position: Midfielder; AGE: 19; HEIGHT: 176cm; WEIGHT: 75kg
Similar to: Kieren Jack into Sam Mitchell

The nephew of former Bulldog Terry Wheeler shared the Murray best-and-fairest with North Melbourne's Shaun Atley last year and was stiff to miss at the rookie draft. Wheeler has explosive pace off the mark, is a contested-footy king and kicks goals.

Coach Adam Potter: “He’s the best I’ve seen come in from the TAC Cup and make an impact in my six years involved (in the VFL). He average 25 possessions, wins clearances and tackles well.”

MALCOLM LYNCH
Port Melbourne

Position: Midfielder; AGE: 23; HEIGHT: 178cm; WEIGHT: 70kg
Similar to: Stephen Hill

Injury cut short his AFL career at the Western Bulldogs. Finally fit, the silky playmaker has scintillating speed and has improved his clearance work.

Coach Ayres: “You tend to find the players with genuine leg speed are the ones getting drafted, so he’s on track.”

AND ONE MAKING A LATE RUN...

BRENDAN FEVOLA
Casey Scorpions

Position: Full-forward; AGE: 30; HEIGHT: 190cm; WEIGHT: 100kg

A bag of 11 goals on Sunday thrust Fev into the spotlight for the right reasons, but beating up on a weak opposition is unlikely to wow AFL clubs.

Coach Brad Gotch: “If he keeps improving, you just never know, but he’s got to keep improving. About a month ago he was improving and then he stagnated.”

THE OTHERS
Ollie Tate, Myles Sewell (both North Ballarat), Kris Pendlebury, Tom Sundberg (both Collingwood), Sean Tighe (Werribee), Myles Pitt, Shane Valenti (both Port Melbourne), Mark Baguley (Frankston), Ben Duscher and Tory Dickson (both Bendigo).

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/ready-made-vfl-players-for-the-afl-draft/story-e6frf9jf-1226097161234
 
checkside said:
We have seen in a few articles from the club that they are looking closely at state leagues. Any one who watches a bit of footy got any one to look out for?

Alroy Gilligan, who we delisted from our rookie list last year, has been playing very well with Claremont. He will get picked up again, most likely by a WA club because thats where he will play his best footy.

One I like for us is Kyle Hartigan, 194cm defender. Suprised he was not drafted in his year. He also has a more offensive side of his game these days. Might be a bit slow though?

Gilligan has been playing very well. Happier at home? Who knows, but he might be worth us taking on again as a rookie if we can.
 
TIM MOHR
Casey Scorpions

Position: Key defender; AGE: 22; HEIGHT: 195cm; WEIGHT: 98kg
Similar to: Tom Williams
Played for tassie in the U18's same year as Jack. He'll go somewhere IMO.
 
Willie Wheeler bound for AFL
Sam Landsberger
From: Leader July 18, 2011

Will the Victorian Football League sensation from Avenel, near Seymour, be drafted?

Wheeler has all the attributes to play AFL footy. He's 19, explosive off the mark, tackles hard wins his own ball, and can kick goals.

He showcased his talents playing for the Murray Bushrangers last year, collecting 41 touches and laying seven tackles in a breakout match against Bendigo.

Wheeler went on to share the TAC Cup club's best-and-fairest with a kid called Shaun Atley. Atley was snared with a first-round pick by North Melbourne and is already a lock in Brad Scott's starting side.

Wheeler was overlooked. And again at the rookie draft, that time by all 18 clubs.

"My height," Wheeler said when asked why he thought he was overlooked. "Maybe my pace as well, I'm not really sure what it was.

"I always thought it would be hard with my height, but I never thought it should matter as much as it does."

Wheeler, who stands 176cm 13cm shorter than Atley is understandably irritated

"It gets frustrating when you see some other people get drafted that you think you could easily play on and hold your own against, but that's just the way it is," he said.

"I think if they say 'he's just too short' I don't believe it should matter as much as it does."

Wheeler is within 2cm of Collingwood's Jarryd Blair and Western Bulldog Luke Dahlhaus.

That pair was forced to fight for senior AFL listings via the rookie draft, which is why Wheeler landed at Coburg this season.

Last week, he signed a one-year extension at the Tigers, arriving at the club to sign his deal and undergo media commitments still looking grubby and tired after a long day of work and about to hit the track for a training session.

It summed up how hard the teenager works and, while the club was rapt to secure him, it knows Wheeler is no certainty to stay put next year.

Two AFL recruiters last week indicated he was likely to be snapped up.

On form it is a mystery his name was not called last year. Wheeler started on Collingwood's Ben Johnson in the Round 9 ABC clash.

Before the Magpie veteran limped off injured, commentators were already marveling at Wheeler's natural flair and nous at the stoppages.

Against Casey in Round 12 Wheeler enjoyed one of the best quarters seen this season. In his seventh game of senior football the nephew of former Western Bulldogs and Williamstown coach Terry Wheeler dragged his side across the line with 25 touches and three goals, including the last two of the match.

He was opposed to Melbourne-listed players Addam Maric and Lynden Dunn.

It seems when Wheeler plays well, so do the Tiges.

Wheeler said he is now trying to model his game on Steele Sidebottom, another country kid with close roots back home.

Coburg coach Adam Potter could not have been more glowing in his appraisal of Wheeler.

"He's the best I've seen come in from the TAC Cup and have an impact in the last six years I've been involved (at VFL level). He averages 25 possessions, wins clearances and tackles well," Potter said.

Wheeler is a regular at Potter's nearby Ascot Vale home for dinner and the coach played a key role in settling the second-year plumber into a city lifestyle.

But why Coburg over Williamstown, a club synonymous with the Wheeler name?

"At the start it was because Coburg were closest to the country because they were out at Craigieburn (in pre-season), and I had a few mates down here from Seymour that I knew," Wheeler said.

The Seagulls and Werribee both missed out on the excitement machine, who finally believes he can cut it at the top grade.

"When AFL players come back and you play on them and every now and then you hold your own and it does give you confidence," he said.

Wheeler said he resisted the temptation to stay home and take the easy option of playing country footy for a quick cash grab. He is determined to realise his dream.

"I still like to get back home and do some outdoor hunting and shooting or play other sports," he said. "(I hunt) foxes, or anything that annoys the farmer. It's good fun with all my mates.

"A lot of people do that (stay home and play country footy). It's a big step to come down. That's the reason for me coming down, to get looked at."

He cites his dad, Jeff, as his biggest influence on his football, and could not be held in higher regard at the Tigers.

Recently, Coburg captain Nick Carnell, who Wheeler rates as his best skipper yet, penned a new two-year deal at Coburg.

He said at the time it was partly because of coach Adam Potter's influence and partly because of how excited he was about the next brigade of emerging stars.

Carnell highlighted Wheeler as the most promising, speaking in awe of his work ethic and ability.

If Wheeler is not selected in this year's draft, he plans to spend one more year building his strength and consistent pace at the Tigers.

You get the feeling the story of Willie Wheeler is only just beginning.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/willie-wheeler-bound-for-afl/story-fn53khop-1226096860330
 
Smoking Aces said:
MATTHEW O'DWYER
Werribee Tigers

Position: Half-back; AGE: 22; HEIGHT: 181cm; WEIGHT: 80kg
Similar to: Rhyce Shaw

Delisted after a lack of opportunities at Sydney last year, despite repeatedly racking up more than 50 possessions in the reserves. O’Dwyer is again proving too good for second-tier football with his pinpoint foot skills, dash and rebound from defence.

Coach Paul Satterley: “He’s got the ability to go at the same intensity from start to finish. He’s very creative and can find a lot of the footy.”

crazy...
 
Seriously, a switched-on recruiting department could go into this coming off-season with a dozen places on its list. It could then use the first 3-4 picks on 18 year-olds, pick up a quality player via the PSD by offering a substantial contract to someone who is a bit starved for opportunity somewhere, maybe swap a player for another. They could then shop around the various State Leagues for the rest.

It looks to me like those leagues are full of defenders of all sizes, small forwards, ruckmen and Key position players and hard-at-it midfielders just looking for an opportunity. Many of them have played seniors every week for two years and dominated while AFL-listed “Project players” can’t get a kick in their club’s reserves side.

Ed Curnow, Cam Pederson, Daniel Nicholson, Tendai Mzungi and Michael Hibberd were all available to anyone with a late/PSD/early rookie pick last year. Freo raided the VFL for Barlow and Silvagni the previous year and Crameri came out of the VFL that year as well.

They are out there. How hard can it be to find them? Make a list that includes the first five place-getters in the Liston, the Sandover and the Magarey and the three best players in each Grand Final and start there.
 
Bang on TOT,

Leysy's been saying similar on another thread.

A savvy recruiting team could upgrade our list quicker than you think. No excuses for not going hard in this years drafts given the list we have.

The million $$$ question & the big query for leysy is whether we are savvy enough.
 
i'd have a look at Myles Pitt.. i liked him in the TAC and was suprised he didnt get picked up. He was in that 190cm range so if he's grown a little he could be a good pick up, has been playing well for Port lately as well
 
Disco08 said:
You make it sound pretty simple but in reality I think it's far from.

Thought re-iterating the savvy recruiting team part was showing that not everyone can do it.
 
Fair enough. I still think you enderestimate the difficulty of upgrading our list significantly in one draft.
 
Carnell should be on our list. He is better than about 10 players we currenlty have listed I reckon.

Matt O'Dwyer is a great player as well.

O’Dwyer is again proving too good for second-tier football with his pinpoint foot skills, dash and rebound from defence.

Not really the skillset we are looking for, though.
 
We are trying with the likes of Nahas, Nason, Webberly & Jakobi but our attempts so far have not bared much fruit.
Nahas the biggest success so far. Got to get better at it no doubt.
 
Disco08 said:
Fair enough. I still think you enderestimate the difficulty of upgrading our list significantly in one draft.

Not sure leysy said or implied significantly either.

But we can certainly make inroads if our list mgment & recruiting are both bold & smart.
 
I think any upgrading of our list implies a fairly significant impact on it.

Plenty of bold and smart recruiting teams would struggle to upgrade our list with a few late picks in a weak draft. I'd be happy to find one good player later on. More than that is a bonus IMO.
 
Tigers of Old said:
We are trying with the likes of Nahas, Nason, Webberly & Jakobi but our attempts so far have not bared much fruit.
Nahas the biggest success so far. Got to get better at it no doubt.

Nahas won an award as the best young player in the VFL the year before we drafted him, Nason had played a few senior games in the SANFL and mainly spent his time in the reserves.

By contrast, Barlow is a Liston Trophy winner, Curnow broke his leg mid-season but still finished high up in voting, Krakouer was BOG in the WAFL Grand Final.

If a player is doing well in the state leagues, chances are he may be able to take the next step, all things being equal. Once on a list he will train professionally, which should help.

If a player is not doing well in the minor leagues, where is the evidence that he can take a step up? It is the same situation for a player in the TAC Cup who was not selected for the Under 18 state team or figured highly in B&Fs at his club, despite playing most of the games. Where is the evidence he can step up next year?

Too many recruiters, not just ours btw, will use a late pick on a player with "upside" and ignore the players who are smacking him around every week in the state leagues.
 
Disco08 said:
I think any upgrading of our list implies a fairly significant impact on it.

Plenty of bold and smart recruiting teams would struggle to upgrade our list with a few late picks in a weak draft. I'd be happy to find one good player later on. More than that is a bonus IMO.

What if, instead of Nason and Webberley we chose Barlow and Curnow. Just two sliding doors moments. Cotchin, Barlow, Martin, Deledio, Foley, Curnow, Grigg. That's a fair bit of grunt in the midfield. Remember, this is just using two late picks.
 
No doubt, but it's not that simple. Every club passed up the chance to take those two numerous times. If you knew how Barlow was going to go in the AFL, you would have used a top 10 pick on him. The fact no one did says recruiting mature age guys isn't a simple science.