Saturday, 3rd May

[johnson2richo2003]

actually for once everyone and i mean Everyone has contributed in a sensable manner regarding the side and spud.very good arguments both ways.
overall we have absolute no say what the club will do or not do all we can do is have faith with the men in charge at tigerland[casey and miller] that they do the right thing by the club.
weather its getting rid of the coach or not the one thing that is important is that the players shouldnt be let off the hook either this time.a clear message has to be sent out and then we can start from scratch.
i recall miller saying that the players this year will be very much in the spotlight from within.[words to that affect].

 

[DragicevicFan]

Whats so special about the cheesemakers?

 

[Harry]

I also agree 100% with Tiger furious. Its up to the coach to give the players the flick, not the board. When frawely persists with rogers, king, duncan, houlihan, even cameron and tivendale recently, and all others that don't perform then he deserves these criticisms.

To me it seems that he's concentrating on his pay packet from week to week by trying to scrape and scramble wins and refusing to unleash youth and plan for richmonds future.

 

[TigersGoddess]

actually for once everyone and i mean Everyone has contributed in a sensable manner regarding the side and spud.

What if you haven't posted anything do you still get a mention? ;D

 

[Koalalill]

None of our players get out of their comfort zone at this footy Club. You know why? Because they don't need to. If they don't produce the Coach will get the flick. But because no coach with any real credentials would want or need to coach us, we will only ever get a coach with little or no experience. When they are eventually put under pressure, due to losses, they get the flick. The players are off the hook and we start all over again. No other department gets looked at, it's always the coach. Has anyone stopped to think that it's not all the coach's fault, given that we've had many coaches and no success for a very long time?

I understand the need to make hard decisions, but there's a difference between making a decision just for the sake of being seen to be doing something and making a decision that seems obvious to some. We've been using the former approach for a long time now and where has it got us? Exactly where we are now - ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE!

We're paying for our sins of the past and if we keep giving someone the flick, just to ease the pressure, then we'll all be posting the same negative stuff in five years time.

Well said MC24. Our players have over the years been rewarded for 1 good season. I think it is unfair to say all the current player contracts are Danny's fault. After 2001 - Tivva had a good year - if the club hadn't re-signed him we all would have been screaming. Same with Rogers, Bidders, (dare I say it) King. Then we have a horror 2002 and everyones screaming why are these players still here. Get rid of them and draft kids. If the players have contracts we can't just give them the flick. We still have to pay them - which means we don't have the salary cap room to draft anyone.

I think you raise a valid point about Danny coaching as if he is under pressure. That's one of the reason they bought in Miller, to take the pressure off Danny and offer him more support.

The fact is - the season is only 1 round old - it is way too earlier to clearly determine where we are at and where we are heading. If we beat the Bulldogs this week - what will doomsdayer say? While not liking to compare ourselves with the Pies. If my memory serves me correctly we are in exactly the same position they were 12 months ago. Goes to prove anything is possible

 

[Tigerdog]

Yes but the pies have a coach who has tasted success in the game both as a player and a coach!

 

[wanderer]

For a team that has only made 1 finals series in the last 8 years we have a very ordinary group of core players, most of who are on inflated contracts and an average group of youngsters, most of who look set to follow in the great Richmond tradition of mediocrity.

I think that's an interesting quote, and to me the crux of the matter. We do not have a great list. Having read through a lot of the posts on these boards lately I think we tend to look at the coach with blood in our eyes, but look at the playing list through Rose-Coloured glasses.

Was Frawley such a bad coach in 2000? A large number of injuries to key players, pushed us to the brink of the eight. Some argument to say our end result flattered us.

Was he a bad coach in 2001 when he took us to a preliminary final - a result plenty will now say flattered us?

If he's that bad, how do we explain 2001. I can explain 2002 - we don't have the players and our poor recruiting is catching up on us badly while other clubs are improving their lists ours is going backwards.

No doubt Frawley has some faults and there have been days I've thought he was comprehensively out-coached, every coach has been there though. Plenty of Essendon supporters will tell you of days they thought Sheedy lost the plot.

His two biggest mistakes (IMHO) have been to over-rate a number of players on his list and to allow it to be degraded with poor trades and drafts. I don't know who has final say (Beck, Frawley or other) on the drafts or trades, if it's Frawley, then he should stop now! If it's not him, then that person needs to stop now!

Frawley has had 3 years at Richmond, that seems to be just about the time that the coaches at Richmond start to realise the fragility of their list - just in time to be sacked so we can start the whole process over again.

Miller hasn't shown a lot of good judgement later, but I'm hopefull he's got the smarts to determine if Frawley has got it or not, but I'd really like to see the blow-torch on the players and the recruiters first for a change.