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Russia Invades Ukraine
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Yeah I hate those companies that give young kids jobs that teach them life skills like dealing with the public and other people in the workforce; skills that they will need for later in their life. I also hate it how they force everyone to eat their junk food. I wish individuals could have a say in where they work and how they spend their money. It's so unfair what these mean corporations force upon us.
We should probably all just go and live in Russia. Vlad cares so much about his people. He is so altruistic.
That is true. But he has a choice. A choice not to bomb hospitals. Any defence of his actions is incomprehensible.
How'd the prick with the brolly get into the bar in the first place? Bastard should have been in the ladies lounge, geez pub standards have slipped in recent years.
I was reading a column about how wars often bring about really strange bed fellows. They were talking about it in the context of extreme right and extreme left both producing commentators that are apologists for Putin.
On the right side, it is your Trumpite types who like the fact Putin has old school values - basically an 'anti-woke' and will assert this in an authoritarian way. On the left it's used as a cudgel to justify self hatred of the west. Lots of looking for reasons as to how the west caused this and pushed Putin into a corner where he felt he had no choice. A lot of 'whataboutism' regarding the west invading here and here etc.
Kind of reminds me of what I observe regarding Australia-China relations over the last couple of decades. The progressive-left being full of self hatred for our society, that some on that side are foolish enough to tacitly support anything that will undermine and eventually usurp the status quo - "my enemy's enemy is my friend" kind of scenario. And on the right there are people who have no other care in the world apart from a love of the money Chinese relations bring. They have virtually no morals and standards, to the point that even their soul is for sale. Therefore what you see this really strange alliance of people screaming RACIST at anyone who dare question CCP subversive influence in Australia, without really listening to what the criticism is.
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The Russian people have had too much of a taste of the false gods of the West. They wont stand for a de-westernised Russia. Putin is taking a gamble here that the fear he has instilled in the general populations and his vocal detractors, those he hasn't killed yet, will keep them quiet while he tries to move Russia's borders back to the Soviet era lines.
Regaining control of the ex-Soviet block countries has been Putin's goal since day 1. Anyone that still thinks the war is because of western/NATO provocation really has NFI
Yeah As well as nostalgia, he wants ukraines vast fertile plains to grow food.
Its all pretty medieval
Yeah pilger went nuts.
But if i had to be stuck in a boat
With him or bolt,
Iwouldnt need much think time
McDonalds and other fast food chains are the number 1 cause of obesity and associated health issues in the western world. Getting people addicted to the crap cheap food from an early age for profits. Getting rid of them along with cigarettes would be a wise move by governments but it'll never happen.
Yeah Harry just like Putin, people have a choice. They don't have to eat it. No one is holding a gun to their head. Everything in moderation. People are capable of taking responsibility for their own actions.
How many people die of alcohol related illness every year? We gonna get rid of grog companies as well? Let's ban beer!
I didn't know it was compulsory to eat fast food?
Just like Essendon supporters are bad for my health, I avoid contact with the likes of McDonalds etc
Yeah I know mate but this is the real pandemic in the western world. At a minimum they should put pictures of obese people and gangrene feet on the big mac packs and coke cups.
Saw some analysis on Putin that suggested some of the more populist notions, that Putin wants the USSR back - that he pines for the Soviet era of 'greatness' - is not really correct. What he actually romanticises is an era earlier than that. It's the times of the Russian empire under Tsars. Peter the Great is one of his idols. So in a sense, we are seeing 17th century mentality meeting modern geopolitics and warfare.
correct, he despises the Soviet era and blames them for the fall of the Russian empire.
Criticism of the faults of our society is apparently not allowed now. We can only criticize one side of this conflict now or we get called self haters. Oh, I forgot, the West is perfect, never breaks the "rules-based" order, never invades sovereign countries and their propaganda is always 100% the truth.
Well, maybe you should read Chomsky's reflections on the current conflict.
A couple of interviews before the invasion:
https://truthout.org/articles/us-ap...ia-has-left-the-domain-of-rational-discourse/
https://truthout.org/articles/chomsky-us-push-to-reign-supreme-stokes-the-ukraine-conflict/
Plus a couple after the invasion:
https://truthout.org/articles/noam-...alation-against-russia-would-have-no-victors/
https://truthout.org/articles/noam-chomsky-a-no-fly-zone-over-ukraine-could-unleash-untold-violence/
Not a whole lot different to what I have been saying: the West pushed Putin and Russia into a corner, the West are grossly hypocritical when it comes to their actions on the international stage, none of this justifies the invasion which Chomsky quite reasonably labels a war crime, and, this could all have been avoided if both sides weren't so hell bent on their geopolitical games.
I'll leave the last word to a Ukrainian peace activist who has fled and is now stuck in Egypt:
Doesn't matter who's bombs are dropping on you, you get killed either way.
Interview is here: https://truthout.org/video/ukrainia...ry-has-become-a-battlefield-for-major-powers/
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Well, maybe you should read Chomsky's reflections on the current conflict.
A couple of interviews before the invasion:
https://truthout.org/articles/us-ap...ia-has-left-the-domain-of-rational-discourse/
https://truthout.org/articles/chomsky-us-push-to-reign-supreme-stokes-the-ukraine-conflict/
Plus a couple after the invasion:
https://truthout.org/articles/noam-...alation-against-russia-would-have-no-victors/
https://truthout.org/articles/noam-chomsky-a-no-fly-zone-over-ukraine-could-unleash-untold-violence/
Not a whole lot different to what I have been saying: the West pushed Putin and Russia into a corner, the West are grossly hypocritical when it comes to their actions on the international stage, none of this justifies the invasion which Chomsky quite reasonably labels a war crime, and, this could all have been avoided if both sides weren't so hell bent on their geopolitical games.
I'll leave the last word to a Ukrainian peace activist who has fled and is now stuck in Egypt:
Doesn't matter who's bombs are dropping on you, you get killed either way.
Interview is here: https://truthout.org/video/ukrainia...ry-has-become-a-battlefield-for-major-powers/
DS
Self criticism is allowed, of course. So that's not really what I said. Although admittedly the language I used was probably a bit strong and didn't express nuance particularly well. So I apologise for that.
I suppose the analogy I would use is, where would psychiatry academia draw the line between a person with healthy self criticism. Or a person with destructive self hatred that fosters neurotic behaviours and mental illness? Like anything, it's a subjective grey area with no defined line (admittedly on a personal level I think I have a tendency to cross the threshold a touch). And scaling this up on a societal level. There would be a subjective line between healthy self criticism that leads to gradual reform and improvement of our society. Or self hatred that leads to collective neurosis, self destruction and societal decay. Finding that line is the difficult balance, as people would have their own subjective perspective of where that line is.
As I often find myself on these forums, I'm a tad off topic here. But it is an interesting philosophical discussion nonetheless.
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So the red line was "if Ukraine doesn't join NATO we'll invade them".
You swallow the Kremlin line way too easily dude.
