Round 22: The Chadstone car park games.

[zippadeee]

Just watch the last 2 mins.
We get pinged after holding the ball for .003 seconds Both the dud from freo Langdon & Arces were both given 3hrs to release the ball.
Multi million dollar sport and they guess it was touched.
With what i saw, that cleary shows no touch.
Where's Carey Petty this week?
Where's Leigh Melscum this week??
If you can control Gawn you can beat Melbourne.
Gawn loves playing us

 

[The Big Richo]

I agree - *smile* the ARC off and let umps call it.

Or *smile* umps off and the *smile* in the ARC and let robots call it, like tennis

Its nonsensical; a system to make things clear and certain

That makes things less clear and more uncertain

Problem is if we go back to umpire's calling it, the first time one makes a bad decision that can be shown to be wrong all hell breaks loose.

Usual dribble about professional competition, costing careers and premierships etc etc.....

We are not mature enough to accept the bad decisions so we force the hand of the AFL into having a backup, no matter how ill-equipped.

In the end we get what our behaviour deserves.

 

[eZyT]

In the end we get what our behaviour deserves.

We must have been abominable to deserve 'stand'?

 

[The Big Richo]

What did we do to deserve 'stand'?

Not sure but I would say whinging about the standard of the game all the time certainly doesn't discourage rule changes.

 

[eZyT]

Not sure but I would say whinging about the standard of the game all the time certainly doesn't discourage rule changes.

They dont listen to us.

Broadcasters and bookies

 

[The Big Richo]

They dont listen to us.

Broadcasters and bookies

The media would definitely have their annual state of the game conniptions around scoring but I think the punters also feed that agenda. The fallacy of a good game needing to be a high scoring game and a low scoring game being a bad game runs deep.

Can't blame the AFL for changing rules to try and fix problems everyone is complaining about.

 

[eZyT]

So what is 'sufficiency of evidence'?

If you clearly see fingers bend, its sufficient,

But if you clearly see fingers not bend, its insufficient?

 

[eZyT]

Can't blame the AFL for changing rules to try and fix problems everyone is complaining about.

I can

They fix problems that arent there, and exacerbate problems that are there.

Perrenial Reactionary bullcrap, overseen by bozos

Way beyond their level of competance

 

[BluesBloke]

In all seriousness - it didn't look touched to me. In that moment of score review I was resigned to losing.
When they said 'insufficient evidence', I took it as not enough evidence to call it touched.

For a so-called elite sporting competition, the current technology is that far behind where it needs to be. If they want to invest in the elite level and make it the best it can be, then goal-line technology would be the place to start.

The camera angles and vision presented to those doing the judging are laughable.

 

[tiger76]

Yeah Fingy cam is pretty subjective

I agree - *smile* the ARC off and let umps call it.

Or *smile* umps off and the *smile* in the ARC and let robots call it, like tennis

Its nonsensical; a system to make things clear and certain and remove controversy

That makes things less clear and more uncertain and more controversial

It won’t be possible for the AFL to ever get it right because they’re trying to use the technology to make decisions on too many aspects.

In soccer there are a number of competing technologies which are all trying to serve only two functions; did the ball cross the line and is the forward off-side, (is any part of them forward of the last defender when the attacking pass is initiated).

They are either using a shed load of high speed cameras placed in strategic points around the stadium, or create a magnetic field inside of the goal and place a chip inside of the ball. (For assessing goals).

Setting up the system is very expensive and in soccer they are not trying to determine:

- did the ball shave the post?
- did someone’s pinky move?
- did the ball cross between the goal posts whilst it was 10m above them
- much larger ground size

They should have been able to assess after 35 minutes of googling that they don’t have the money to setup such a system to function properly in an AFL game.

Like others have suggested; the system should be thrown from a speeding vehicle and be the umpires call alone.

 

[AstuteTiger]

Just watch the last 2 mins.
We get pinged after holding the ball for .003 seconds Both the dud from freo Langdon & Arces were both given 3hrs to release the ball.
Multi million dollar sport and they guess it was touched.
With what i saw, that cleary shows no touch.
Where's Carey Petty this week?
Where's Leigh Melscum this week??
If you can control Gawn you can beat Melbourne.
Gawn loves playing us

How bout Cripps gets caught drops the ball, and looks guilty but no whistle I reckon that surprised him.

Acres moves in slo-mo, gets caught, and spun around, no whistle.

 

[BluesBloke]

How bout Cripps gets caught drops the ball, and looks guilty but no whistle I reckon that surprised him.

Acres moves in slo-mo, gets caught, and spun around, no whistle.

Otherwise known as the Chris Judd rule.

 

[TigerMasochist]

The system should be the umpire calls touched, signals and they kick it in. No replays ever. Unfortunately the footy world isn't grown up enough to accept umpire's decisions without throwing tantrums when they are wrong.

Unfortunately it's not just the footy world TBR. In all big money major televised sports the viewers are shown over and over the umpires errors and the expert commentators analyse every single action to the Nth degree. Sporting world has had no choice but to invest in snicko's n stump cams, VAR technology, Arcs and whatever else they can think of to try and reduce the human errors as much as possible. Billions of dollars and billions of people are invested in the elite sport entertainment market, and that's before the punters. Being shown by technology to constantly get human decisions wrong without an acceptable over ride system is no longer possible.

 

[davidc0055]

So what is 'sufficiency of evidence'?

If you clearly see fingers bend, its sufficient,

But if you clearly see fingers not bend, its insufficient?

The only way that decision can be changed is if there was clear space between the ball and the player's hand, and the cameras showed no clear space.

 

[eZyT]

In all seriousness - it didn't look touched to me. In that moment of score review I was resigned to losing.
When they said 'insufficient evidence', I took it as not enough evidence to call it touched.

For a so-called elite sporting competition, the current technology is that far behind where it needs to be. If they want to invest in the elite level and make it the best it can be, then goal-line technology would be the place to start.

The camera angles and vision presented to those doing the judging are laughable.

Blues deserved to win; they played harder for longer, and somehow rendered max gawn completely ineffective.

 

[The_Celebrant]

Can't say I've ever watched soccer to see what they use.

They use a round ball.

And a rectangular field.

 

[momentai]

So what is 'sufficiency of evidence'?

If you clearly see fingers bend, its sufficient,

But if you clearly see fingers not bend, its insufficient?

What if you see the ball sail past (not over) the top of the goal post and the goal umpire calls goal?

Still waiting to see what the reviewer saw!

 

[eZyT]

In all seriousness - it didn't look touched to me. In that moment of score review I was resigned to losing.
When they said 'insufficient evidence', I took it as not enough evidence to call it touched.

For a so-called elite sporting competition, the current technology is that far behind where it needs to be. If they want to invest in the elite level and make it the best it can be, then goal-line technology would be the place to start.

The camera angles and vision presented to those doing the judging are laughable.

It just occured to me how blues managed to stop Gawn!

Somehow they coerced the Melbourne match committee to select Grundy!

Its like when they play together, grundys role is to wrap his arms tightly around Maxs legs and get dragged around for 120mins

 

[Ridley]

It just occured to me how blues managed to stop Gawn!

Somehow they coerced the Melbourne match committee to select Grundy!

Its like when they play together, grundys role is to wrap his arms tightly around Maxs legs and get dragged around for 120mins

The Grundy recruitment could well cost Melbourne the flag. Unless they come to their senses and realise they are a much better team when Gawn plays as lone ruck.

 

[eZyT]

The only way that decision can be changed is if there was clear space between the ball and the player's hand, and the cameras showed no clear space.

Yet, to determine it is touched, they seem to rely on finger movement???

What is it? Finger movement or Daylight?

They could probably lower frustration levels simply by having the person who announces the decision to use consistent parameters and language.

For example, they say 'clearly' like the word was found scratched into a cave on a distant planet and sounds good, but has no meaning