Pick the Brownlow trifecta

[seven]

That’s a decent size melon on his shoulders.

 

[zippadeee]

Every year the brownlow becomes more irrelevant.

 

[Streak]

That’s a decent size melon on his shoulders.

Reminds me of Shrek

 

[jb03]

Some of the umpires' voting in our games quite baffling e.g. we got a draw against Dorks in last match, right? But not even one of our players got a vote. Other similar odd results other games.

But no real surprise, eh? It's the AFL umps.

Delighted that Shai won MotY - well deserved. My view in the poll on PRE was that I rated it higher than JR's as just so exciting, a genuine speccie. (It helped seeing it live right in front of me too!)

But Shai should have won GotY too for that dodging and weaving one. Better than Serong's fluke. Not even nominated. But that's determined by a silly competition I think, pop vote, not the umps.

Who would you have given votes in round 23?

We could barely poll when winning flags so no surprises our total vote count this year was appalling.

 

[DavidSSS]

Bont or any Swans player will win. It's history with these 2 clubs and Brownlow winners.

Yeah, they get Brownlows and we get flags. It isn't a fair deal but seeing we're on the better side of the equation I'll take it.

DS

 

[DavidSSS]

Yeah its a bit contrived now.

Maxy Gawn has completely dominated the comp this year, yet gets nowhere near it.

Should have played in the 1970s when rucks won - Moss, Dempsey, Teasdale etc.

DS

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

(Rankings ignore disqualified players)

Player

Vts​

V3​

V2​

V1​

Rank

Games

VPG​

Career Vts

Eligible Gms

CVPG​

Best

Age

Martin, Dustin

11​

3​

1​

0​

eq 25th

16

0.69​

202

245

0.82​

1st

30y 86d

Riewoldt, Jack

8​

2​

0​

2​

eq 40th

22

0.36​

61

290

0.21​

eq 35th

32y324d

Bolton, Shai

5​

0​

2​

1​

eq 68th

20

0.25​

19

60

0.32​

eq 26th

22y286d

Houli, Bachar

3​

1​

0​

0​

eq 98th

12

0.25​

27

217

0.12​

eq 32nd

33y131d

Lambert, Kane

3​

1​

0​

0​

eq 98th

13

0.23​

27

115

0.23​

eq 28th

29y298d

Nankervis, Toby

3​

1​

0​

0​

eq 98th

16

0.19​

9

85

0.11​

eq 98th

27y 39d

Cotchin, Trent

3​

0​

1​

1​

eq 98th

17

0.18​

141

253

0.56​

eq 2nd

31y166d

Graham, Jack

3​

0​

1​

1​

eq 98th

22

0.14​

7

66

0.11​

eq 86th

23y207d

Prestia, Dion

2​

0​

1​

0​

eq 132nd

9

0.22​

44

161

0.27​

eq 20th

28y343d

Coleman-Jones, Callum

1​

0​

0​

1​

eq 160th

8

0.13​

1

9

0.11​

eq 160th

22y 99d

Chol, Mabior

1​

0​

0​

1​

eq 160th

10

0.10​

2

30

0.07​

eq 156th

24y234d

Astbury, David

1​

0​

0​

1​

eq 160th

17

0.06​

2

143

0.01​

eq 160th

30y206d

Grimes, Dylan

1​

0​

0​

1​

eq 160th

21

0.05​

4

177

0.02​

eq 104th

30y 66d

Baker, Liam

1​

0​

0​

1​

eq 160th

22

0.05​

4

57

0.07​

eq 86th

23y236d

Balta, Noah

14

1

40

0.03​

eq 157th

21y332d

Aarts, Jake

21

1

34

0.03​

eq 157th

26y286d

Broad, Nathan

14

0

73

28y158d

Caddy, Josh

9

17

160

0.11​

eq 63rd

28357d

Castagna, Jason

21

2

106

0.02​

eq 128th

25y 70d

Colina, Mate

0

0

0

22y

Collier-Dawkins, Riley

9

0

9

21y229d

Cumberland, Noah

0

0

0

20y189d

Dow, Thomson

5

0

7

19y339d

Edwards, Shane

16

17

266

0.06​

eq 55th

32y330d

Eggmolesse-Smith, Derek

1

2

9

0.22​

eq 117th

23y139d

Garthwaite, Ryan

5

0

14

23y 82d

Lynch, Tom

18

35

187

0.19​

eq 30th

28y324d

Mansell, Rhyan

13

0

13

21y108d

Martyn, Will

3

0

3

20y175d

McIntosh, Kamdyn

17

2

115

0.02​

eq 147th

27y170d

Miller, Ben

1

0

1

22y 20d

Naish, Patrick

6

0

9

22y248d

Rioli junior, Maurice

2

0

2

19y 19d

Rioli, Daniel

19

1

102

0.01​

eq 169th

24y157d

Ross, Jack

15

0

29

21y 17d

Ryan, Samson

1

0

1

20y285d

Short, Jayden

22

4

105

0.04​

eq 86th

25y239d

Soldo, Ivan

0

0

33

25y159d

Stack, Sydney

7

0

33

21y145d

Vlastuin, Nick

12

8

158

0.05​

eq 90th

27y154d

Ralphsmith, Hugo

6

0

6

19y315d

Nyuon, Bigoa

0

0

0

20y125d

Parker, Matthew

6

0

25

25y238d

Pickett, Marlion

18

0

33

29y257d

 

[DavidSSS]

Reckon Shai should have got more and Broad looks a bit stiff getting no votes.

DS

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

How does Walsh gain so many votes from a losing team?

Over the past few days I've located the newspaper reports on the 1931-34 Brownlows at trove.nla.gov.au, including round-by-round voting. Something that jumped out immediately was how rarely umpires gave the 3-2-1 to the same (or winning) team.

In 1931-34 it happened only 10 times in 417 voting games (excluding draws), or 2.4%. In 2 of those 10 games, all the votes went to the losing side (margins of 19 and 32 points).

In 2021 it happened in 100 of 195 games that weren't draws, and never to the losing side.

Average winning margin in voting games 1931-34 was 30 points; this year it was 29 points.

There has been a massive switch away from recognising players on the losing side since the 3-2-1 system was introduced.

Fitzroy won 33 matches in 6 years 1931-36, yet provided 5 of the 6 Brownlow winners. Can't happen today.

 

[Mr Brightside]

There’s no doubt the Brownlow is still seen as the bees knees award , however I think footy fans just have to take it for what it is, it’s an umpires award , that’s all, yes great history and a huge honour to be a Brownlow medallist.

Theres so many awards now, I don’t think the Brownlow needs to be changed in anyway , fact is there’s about 800 odd players who don’t win it every year , wether they are Backs, Forwards or mids it don’t matter.

Plenty of opportunities for players other then midfielders to win individual honors , B&Fs , MVP, players awards , coaches awards , however as we all know midfielders are always the best players , even gun flankers are just wanna be midfielders and the tall blokes , well their just that, tall.

 

[22nd Man]

Wonder if any other Club B&F this year will have polled fewer Brownlow votes than D Grimes.

 

[No left foot]

Surprising that the umpires who didn't give us free kicks all year also didn't give us Brownlow votes.

 

[tigerlove]

We were 2 votes away from 17th. Ridiculous really.

 

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

RFC least votes per match

VPM	Year	Votes	Voting matches	Wins in voting matches	Ladder H&A
0.24	1925	4	17	6.5	7th/12
0.63	1924	10	16	10	4th/9
0.67	1926	12	18	9	7th/12
0.67	1927	12	18	14	2nd/12
0.67	1928	12	18	14	2nd/12
0.67	1930	12	18	11	3rd/12
0.75	1929	12	16	11.5	3rd/12
1.50	2007	33	22	3.5	16th/16
1.55	1992	34	22	5	13th/15
1.59	1960	27	17	2.5	12th/12
1.64	2004	36	22	4	16th/16
1.68	2010	37	22	6	15th/16
1.73	1989	38	22	5	14th/14
1.86	2009	41	22	5.5	15th/16
1.95	1993	39	20	4	14th/15
2.00	1986	44	22	7	10th/12
2.05	2002	45	22	7	14th/16
2.09	2021	46	22	9.5	12th/18
2.18	1990	48	22	7	11th/14
2.18	1999	48	22	9	12th/16
2.22	1958	40	18	7	10th/12
2.23	2011	49	22	8.5	12th/17
2.27	1988	50	22	8	10th/14
2.35	1959	40	17	4	11th/12
2.36	2016	52	22	8	13th/18
2.36	1997	52	22	10	13th/16
2.41	1987	53	22	5	14th/14
2.45	2005	54	22	10	12th/16
2.47	1953	42	17	3	10th/12
2.50	1981	55	22	13	7th/12
2.50	2003	55	22	7	13th/16
2.53	1961	43	17	5	10th/12
2.59	1970	57	22	12	6th/12
2.63	1957	42	16	7	7th/12
2.64	1978	58	22	10.5	7th/12
2.65	1963	45	17	5	10th/12
2.65	1937	45	17	10.5	4th/12
2.76	1964	47	17	6	9th/12
2.76	1936	47	17	10	6th/12
2.77	1979	61	22	9	8th/12
2.82	1938	48	17	10	6th/12
2.83	1947	51	18	11	4th/12
2.86	1991	63	22	7	13th/15
2.86	2006	63	22	11	9th/16
2.88	1956	49	17	5	10th/12
2.90	1975	61	21	12	4th/12
2.91	1984	64	22	10	8th/12
2.94	1966	47	16	12	5th/12
2.94	1941	50	17	14	3rd/12
2.95	1973	62	21	16	2nd/12
2.95	1983	65	22	7	10th/12
2.95	1985	65	22	9	8th/12
3.00	1940	54	18	12	2nd/12
3.00	1972	63	21	18	2nd/12
3.00	1994	66	22	12	9th/15
3.06	1935	49	16	11	4th/12
3.12	1962	53	17	5	8th/12
3.14	2014	69	22	12	8th/18
3.14	1998	69	22	12	9th/16
3.14	2008	69	22	11.5	9th/16
3.18	1932	54	17	13.5	2nd/12
3.18	1955	54	17	8	6th/12
3.18	1949	54	17	9	6th/12
3.18	2000	70	22	11	9th/16
3.27	2019	72	22	16	3rd/18
3.29	2020	56	17	12.5	3rd/18
3.32	1968	63	19	14	5th/12
3.44	1931	62	18	15	2nd/12
3.44	1948	62	18	10.5	5th/12
3.45	1980	76	22	16.5	3rd/12
3.47	1950	59	17	10	6th/12
3.47	1952	59	17	8	9th/12
3.53	1969	67	19	12	4th/12
3.53	1933	60	17	15	1st/12
3.55	2018	78	22	18	1st/18
3.56	1934	64	18	15	1st/12
3.59	1982	79	22	18	1st/12
3.59	1996	79	22	11	9th/16
3.64	1995	80	22	15.5	3rd/16
3.64	2017	80	22	15	3rd/18
3.68	2013	81	22	15	5th/18
3.71	1967	63	17	14	1st/12
3.71	1951	63	17	10	6th/12
3.71	1965	63	17	9	5th/12
3.72	1946	67	18	10	5th/12
3.76	1971	79	21	16	3rd/12
3.76	1954	64	17	9	5th/12
3.77	2012	83	22	10.5	12th/18
3.91	2001	86	22	15	4th/16
3.94	1939	63	16	13	3rd/12
4.27	2015	94	22	15	5th/18
4.55	1974	91	20	16	1st/12
5.14	1976	108	21	10	7th/12
7.00	1977	147	21	14.5	4th/12

blue = 1 vote per game
green = 12 votes per game

 

[eZyT]

The brownlow was typified in rd22 Dees V Crows.

dees won by 41. 15 of clayton olivers 28 were contested. fritch kicked 7.

seedmans got 3 votes with 38 disposals, 30 of which were uncontested.

wines is a contested beast. But they should call it what it is ...The Brownlow Medal for The Most Possessions.

the only exceptions were 2012 and 2017, and they *smile* up 2012 initially.

did anyone else conclude that Brisbane's culture is a bit *smile* (zorko captain? Der) from their carry-on during the count? Classless, banal, unprofessionalism. Will not succeed without a cultural overhaul

 

[Redford]

I didn’t expect us to poll all that well given our season, but fourth last for votes and only 2 votes from finishing second last ? Cmon. Another example of the anti Richmond sentiment that pervades inside of the AFL - including our umpire friends.

We finished on top of the ladder in 2018 with 72 points and the best we could do in the Brownlow for total team votes was 6th. Get ****.

The AFL and the umpires hate us.

 

[Harry]

I didn’t expect us to poll all that well given our season, but fourth last for votes and only 2 votes from finishing second last ? Cmon. Another example of the anti Richmond sentiment that pervades inside of the AFL - including our umpire friends.

We finished on top of the ladder in 2018 with 72 points and the best we could do in the Brownlow for total team votes was 6th. Get ****.

The AFL and the umpires hate us.

There's no doubt the hatred of us from the AFL filters down to the umps.

 

[zippadeee]

I will line up Bomtmytelly, Oliver, Petrecca, Wines and Gawn.
I would go
Bompmytelly
Gawn
Oliver
Wines
Petrecca.
The Bont had the same look that Jeremy Howe had at the brownlow several years ago

 

[tigersnake]

all a bit of a joke really for the reasons mentioned above. Another reflection of AFL incompetence.

 

[zippadeee]

T

There's no doubt the hatred of us from the AFL filters down to the umps.

They don't give us blatant free kicks, they aren't going to give us votes.
We are the only team that can win by 8 goals and not get all the votes and we are the only team that can draw and still not get 1 single vote.
The outstanding award in football these day is the MVP voted by the coaches