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I only watched bits and pieces of the game, but the lopsided free kick count is significant. It is not so much whether all the frees granted to Footscray were there, it is more a question of whether similar incidents were not paid as a free to Sydney. Didn't watch close enough to really look but that is where there is likely a difference.

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Need Melbourne to beat Arsendon tonight and end their season.

Only 3 of the last 31 teams to start 0-3 have made the finals.
If the crows could do the unthinkable and beat Port i will upload a video of myself weeing my pants.
 
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So much uproar over the free kick count yesterday in the media but nothing on the Tigers being shafted year after year for the whole season. Bulldogs have always had a good run in free kick differentials. 1st, 7th, 1st, 4th, 1st, 1st in last 6 years.
 
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So much uproar over the free kick count yesterday in the media but nothing on the Tigers being shafted year after year for the whole season. Bulldogs have always had a good run in free kick differentials. 1st, 7th, 1st, 4th, 1st, 1st in last 6 years.
Not bad for a team full of duckers and chuckers.
 
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Interestingly Geelong have received the most frees over the last 5 years. Take out Selwood's ducking and they would be back in the pack. I read that Selwood has averaged 2.8 frees per game since 2008. That's remarkable!
 
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Few interesting things last night.
1 Dogs always stayed 5 meters behind the mark. Swans could not run past them. Made them kick longer and slower.
Works against fast run sides like Swans and Dees and Dogs.
Shows how stupid the rule is....simply sets the mark 5 meters forward...thats all.
2 Swans are very dangerous at backline break and run after intrrcept.This is how they can be beaten.
Dogs coach took all tall forwards off for large spells in second half and forced his team to hit short targets in 50 , prevented Swan intercept.and prevented fast attack from defence .
Take note Dimma.
3 Both sides flooded back 50 and looked for fast break. Result of stand rule.
4 Further result of stand rule and coach adapting. ..low scoring.
Congratulations idiots at AFL.
5. Further result..high making contests almost gone.
6. Game is now a variation of soccer.
Keep possession and chip until an opportunity opens up..or..score on the fast break.
How does everyone like it?
 
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I only watched bits and pieces of the game, but the lopsided free kick count is significant. It is not so much whether all the frees granted to Footscray were there, it is more a question of whether similar incidents were not paid as a free to Sydney. Didn't watch close enough to really look but that is where there is likely a difference.

DS
Well the dogs got a chopping the arm (perhaps 2), Syd didn't.

The dogs got 2 x incorrect disposal when both times there was no prior and an attempt was made. Sydney got none. Cannot remember the last time we got one of those.

Bont "handpassed" over his head, a complete throw, no free. Libba threw it at least 4 or 5 times, no free.

The dogs got a dangerous tackle that was dubious.

The dogs got a few "soft" ones in front of goal.

There were 2 blocking incidents (bulldogs players stopping opponent getting to contest) neither were penalised. The swans did get one free to McLean I think when he was held out of a contest by Bailey Dale.

It just appeared that the bulldogs got the 50/50 ones and Syd didn't.

I note no 50's for moving on the mark (umpires forgot to yell stand half the time) and no deliberates. Not many players man the mark, especially when the ball is in their own forward line. They back off.
 
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I only watched bits and pieces of the game, but the lopsided free kick count is significant. It is not so much whether all the frees granted to Footscray were there, it is more a question of whether similar incidents were not paid as a free to Sydney. Didn't watch close enough to really look but that is where there is likely a difference.

DS
I got the feeling the swans missed a few 50/50 type frees while Dogs got them

to win by 2 goals with a skewed free count doesn't bode well for the dogs
 
Few interesting things last night.
1 Dogs always stayed 5 meters behind the mark. Swans could not run past them. Made them kick longer and slower.
Works against fast run sides like Swans and Dees and Dogs.
Shows how stupid the rule is....simply sets the mark 5 meters forward...thats all.
2 Swans are very dangerous at backline break and run after intrrcept.This is how they can be beaten.
Dogs coach took all tall forwards off for large spells in second half and forced his team to hit short targets in 50 , prevented Swan intercept.and prevented fast attack from defence .
Take note Dimma.
3 Both sides flooded back 50 and looked for fast break. Result of stand rule.
4 Further result of stand rule and coach adapting. ..low scoring.
Congratulations idiots at AFL.
5. Further result..high making contests almost gone.
6. Game is now a variation of soccer.
Keep possession and chip until an opportunity opens up..or..score on the fast break.
How does everyone like it?
Good summation P&T. The game has regressed back to the days of the Uberflood. It’s a lot like basketball now. Lose possession and flood back to guard the key. Rely on fast breaks and 3 point shooting and hope your forwards win a rebound. Just wait till we get timeouts. We already have the shot clock.
 
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Few interesting things last night.
1 Dogs always stayed 5 meters behind the mark. Swans could not run past them. Made them kick longer and slower.
Works against fast run sides like Swans and Dees and Dogs.
Shows how stupid the rule is....simply sets the mark 5 meters forward...thats all.
2 Swans are very dangerous at backline break and run after intrrcept.This is how they can be beaten.
Dogs coach took all tall forwards off for large spells in second half and forced his team to hit short targets in 50 , prevented Swan intercept.and prevented fast attack from defence .
Take note Dimma.
3 Both sides flooded back 50 and looked for fast break. Result of stand rule.
4 Further result of stand rule and coach adapting. ..low scoring.
Congratulations idiots at AFL.
5. Further result..high making contests almost gone.
6. Game is now a variation of soccer.
Keep possession and chip until an opportunity opens up..or..score on the fast break.
How does everyone like it?
Yeh, teams that can flood back and surge forward are being rewarded. It's a less contested game, much more chip mark, switch, chip mark switch until you get an opportunity to go forward. Teams battle to keep the ball locked in their forward line. I think that's what the AFL wanted. Our style of surging it forward and then getting repeat entries through forward half-pressure has been negated.
 
Interestingly Geelong have received the most frees over the last 5 years. Take out Selwood's ducking and they would be back in the pack. I read that Selwood has averaged 2.8 frees per game since 2008. That's remarkable!
You sure? My stats say last 5 years Geelong frees for 8th most, 16th, 8th, 7th, 1st. For differential, 2nd, 16, 5, 8, 12.

Selwood 2.4 frees per game over last 5 games (2.5 over his career). As comparison, over last 5 years Cripps is the closest I can find @ 2.33 over last 5 years.

No doubt Selwood has attracted a lot of frees, but not so much by ducking imo so to speak, but his skill to drop the shoulder at just the right time and force an opponent's arm higher in the tackle.
 
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I only watched bits and pieces of the game, but the lopsided free kick count is significant. It is not so much whether all the frees granted to Footscray were there, it is more a question of whether similar incidents were not paid as a free to Sydney. Didn't watch close enough to really look but that is where there is likely a difference.

DS

I see a lot of us assuming umpire bias in here, but we should focus on what the Bulldogs are doing.

What's going on here? What's true? I think the Bulldogs, and other teams, train to win free kicks.

They are very technical and know what they are doing.

In contrast, we don't think about that as much because Richmond plays with honour and doesn't worry about manipulating technical rules to win.

If we don't like this situation, there is only one practical way to change the landscape anytime soon:

Draw attention to it.

The answer already exists as a rule. If you contribute to your own high contact, then it's play on. That is a rule, correct? It was introduced specifically to curb the Joel Selwood shrug. So why is the Joel Selwood shrug still prevalent?

That's what we should be drawing attention to.

In theory, any player that tries to manipulate the rules for their own advantage should not be rewarded with a free kick.

It shouldn't matter how the player does it.

This is in the category of the old intentional out of bounds rule - the umpire needs to read the intent of the player.

Every single time a Bulldogs player carefully twists into a tackle with the technique to draw a free kick, it rightfully should not be a free kick.

If it happens too fast, then they need to be trained at spotting these techniques better or alternative deterrents would need to be introduced.

End of the way, it's a player-generated problem, so the solution will come from a focus on what the players are doing to create the problem.
 
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