Nick Vlastuin | PUNT ROAD END | Richmond Tigers Forum
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Nick Vlastuin

Smoking Aces said:
Your underestimating him big time.

For someone so young he already plays the game like he has 200 games under his belt.

Corey Enright was an A Grade player. Vlaustin will match his output.
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Cory Enright had a higher offensive output. If Flossy gets there he will definitely be A grade. But it's still a question as when he was a junior he wasn't a big ball winner.

Even if he never gets to that level though he is still a damn good player.
 
Sintiger said:
Agree....apart from the spelling of Vlastuin ;D

He has enormous composure with the footy and doesn't fumble. I just want the footy in his hands.
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Sunday morning Sin....spelling is bad at the best of times.

Col.W.Kurtz said:
Cory Enright had a higher offensive output. If Flossy gets there he will definitely be A grade. But it's still a question as when he was a junior he wasn't a big ball winner.

Even if he never gets to that level though he is still a damn good player.
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Not sure thats quite right. After Houli I think Vlastuin has been the next one creating off half back.

At the same age the averages between Vlastuin and Enright for disposals / marks / tackles are almost identical.
 
Smoking Aces said:
Not sure thats quite right. After Houli I think Vlastuin has been the next one creating off half back.

At the same age the averages between Vlastuin and Enright for disposals / marks / tackles are almost identical.
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Flossy is an excellent user, agreed, but he's efficient more then prolific.

Enright was Flossy's age a long time ago, he turned 21 in 2002! It's hard to compare eras, half back footy was quite different then. But at the same age Enright was averaging 18.6 disposals to Flossy's 15.4 on a Cats team that finished 9th.

FWIW Hodge averaged 28 touches per game as a 21 YO.

I'm not bagging Flossy, I think he's a great player, but I think the evidence that he's ever going to be an 25 touch per game type is not that strong.
 
Cyborg at it again last night he is a machine. That mark with the flight of the ball was sensational
 
Col.W.Kurtz said:
Flossy is an excellent user, agreed, but he's efficient more then prolific.

Enright was Flossy's age a long time ago, he turned 21 in 2002! It's hard to compare eras, half back footy was quite different then. But at the same age Enright was averaging 18.6 disposals to Flossy's 15.4 on a Cats team that finished 9th.

FWIW Hodge averaged 28 touches per game as a 21 YO.

I'm not bagging Flossy, I think he's a great player, but I think the evidence that he's ever going to be an 25 touch per game type is not that strong.
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  • Hes not been played in the middle
    Hes 21
    Hes often give defensive, lock down roles
 
Col.W.Kurtz said:
Flossy is an excellent user, agreed, but he's efficient more then prolific.

Enright was Flossy's age a long time ago, he turned 21 in 2002! It's hard to compare eras, half back footy was quite different then. But at the same age Enright was averaging 18.6 disposals to Flossy's 15.4 on a Cats team that finished 9th.

FWIW Hodge averaged 28 touches per game as a 21 YO.

I'm not bagging Flossy, I think he's a great player, but I think the evidence that he's ever going to be an 25 touch per game type is not that strong.
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I'm with you Kurtzy. What he does he does very well. Efficient rather than prolific.
 
Col.W.Kurtz said:
Flossy is an excellent user, agreed, but he's efficient more then prolific.

Enright was Flossy's age a long time ago, he turned 21 in 2002! It's hard to compare eras, half back footy was quite different then. But at the same age Enright was averaging 18.6 disposals to Flossy's 15.4 on a Cats team that finished 9th.

FWIW Hodge averaged 28 touches per game as a 21 YO.

I'm not bagging Flossy, I think he's a great player, but I think the evidence that he's ever going to be an 25 touch per game type is not that strong.
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Fantastic post, spot on. "Efficient more then prolific" it is spot on. I think you and I are on the same page with Flossy.
 
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
I'm guilty. He's kinda like Merv Keane in the way he does his job each week with a minimum of fuss and fanfare.
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Jeez if he ends up as good as Merv Keane I would be happy. Merv played great footy all his career but his best football was in finals where he was consistently good over a long period of time.

Did his job and let Hart, Bartlett, Bourke, Clay, Sheedy, Roach etc take the accolades but Merv Keane was a big game player.

I have got a feeling Vlossy may be the same, similar temperament.
 
SCOOP said:
Fantastic post, spot on. "Efficient more then prolific" it is spot on. I think you and are on the same page with Flossy.
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Did you watch him as a junior? I think his junior career against peers may good indicator of his best position. The little bits of saw of him at the champs he was a HBF/BP who didn't get a lot but was great when he did, i.e exactly what he is in the AFL.

FJ has said that he will develop a tank to go into midfield eventually, I haven't seen the sign that he will, if you are going to be a mid you are played there a junior IMO.

I'd love to be the wrong though, at 25 touches a game he is a AA.
 
Col.W.Kurtz said:
Did you watch him as a junior? I think his junior career against peers may good indicator of his best position. The little bits of saw of him at the champs he was a HBF/BP who didn't get a lot but was great when he did, i.e exactly what he is in the AFL.

FJ has said that he will develop a tank to go into midfield eventually, I haven't seen the sign that he will, if you are going to be a mid you are played there a junior IMO.

I'd love to be the wrong though, at 25 touches a game he is a AA.
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Didn't Flossy have an ankle injury issue in his draft year? Think there was a fair bit of discussion about that being the reason he spent the champs playing off the back line. Wouldn't really matter that much anyway, he's a damn fine n composed player for us in the back half at the very least. With all the rolling mauls n defensive presses going on in footy nowadays, there's three or four KPP per side n everyone else plays Browns cows n roams all over the paddock.
 
If PRE was around when Merv Keane was playing he'd have only have 100 pages too.

There could be some algorithm to determine popularity and effectiveness, Games played divided by thread pages multiplied by 100? or something like that
 
Col.W.Kurtz said:
Did you watch him as a junior? I think his junior career against peers may good indicator of his best position. The little bits of saw of him at the champs he was a HBF/BP who didn't get a lot but was great when he did, i.e exactly what he is in the AFL.

FJ has said that he will develop a tank to go into midfield eventually, I haven't seen the sign that he will, if you are going to be a mid you are played there a junior IMO.

I'd love to be the wrong though, at 25 touches a game he is a AA.
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That’s bang on. He can still impact games from the back flank and be a really solid B+ footballer.

Vlaustin is developing into a better version of what he was at TAC. The leadership and drive he can provide from half back is invaluable and we need that calm but fearless temperament he brings. But as for developing into a mid, I don’t see it happening. And that’s fine. I think Francis took a bob each way and that’s fine. I still would have taken Grundy but am really content with what Flossy brings each week. But if you are going to pick a back flanker in the first round he needs to end up above average for the pick to be a success.
 
is he still one of Franks 'vanilla' early picks?

i only ask because I could never quite figure out what it meant.
 
Not everybody is suited to be a mid and its unfair to bag a player because he doesn't fit the mould. Flossy is very reliable in defence which is fine by me as we need skills al over the park, not just in the middle.
 
I was very keen to have him fast tracked as a mid at first. But my impatience has dissipated. Looks a perfect candidate to rule half back for a decade.
 
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