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Nathan Foley/Colin Wisbey's profile of Nathan Foley [Merged]

Re:Nathan Foley

Dunno Rosy but Balmy, Jayfox, Bigwow, and RR all had a hop in about him being either undersized or a crap kick. If the guy was a twenty something year old that had been in the system for say 2/3 years then maybe fair enough but he's a kid that has just got his first look at the big time along with Techno and Rainesy and Happy Gilmour and sometimes it seems to me we are far to quick to pick out their faults(in our expert opinions of course) than to actually come out with a bit of positive comment or at least hold back a bit on the negatives.
Perhaps it's the frustrations of 20 plus years of crap that we go looking for negatives so we can then blame some dud for missing the bleeding obvious with nearly every player we seem to have picked up.
 
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I for one TM, also mentioned the positives along the way. I said this kid is good none the less.

Yeah, he's kicking is not the best, but at the same time I haven't written hiom off. Look at Sam Mitchell from Hawthorn.. Everyone said he was too slow, but look at him now. I reckon he's a great pickup.
 
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True enough Balmy I put all the names in that mentioned his deficiencies when replying to Rosy, no selective blaming intended, maybe I'm just getting a tad jacked up that virtually every player we've drafted there seems to be a lot of negatives posted about them with heaps of opinions about who we should have got instead,some that were mentioned have been passed over by all clubs. I just get the feeling sometimes that we are expecting them to fail before they have even started.
 
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No probs. I get the general feeling that they are the same people putting the players down. Overall though I think the board is generally happy with the recruits. We've finally changed our ways and gone for youth and I'm wrapped with that.

Is it still ok to bag people like Pettifer though? lol Dont really like him at all, and was bitterly dissapointed when he was kept.
 
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I'll at least give Petifer till round 1. Geez, for his sake I hope he does well for Coburg in Round 1, otherwise the knives will be out. lol
 
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TigerMasochist said:
Dunno Rosy but Balmy, Jayfox, Bigwow, and RR all had a hop in about him being either undersized or a crap kick. If the guy was a twenty something year old that had been in the system for say 2/3 years then maybe fair enough but he's a kid that has just got his first look at the big time along with Techno and Rainesy and Happy Gilmour and sometimes it seems to me we are far to quick to pick out their faults(in our expert opinions of course) than to actually come out with a bit of positive comment or at least hold back a bit on the negatives.
Perhaps it's the frustrations of 20 plus years of crap that we go looking for negatives so we can then blame some dud for missing the bleeding obvious with nearly every player we seem to have picked up.
TM get your facts right. Go and re-read my posts. The first was a review from Hawk Headquarters and the second was nothing but positive about him and telling the knockers to give him a chance. Here was what I put in my second post. If you can tell me how this is negative then you are better than me!


As for the knockers of Nathan Foley, and they have already come out of the woodwork, he was second for Geelong in the Morrish Medal last year, got BOG more times for his club than any other player and has no trouble finding the ball. As much as you say he is another small player, every team needs a few creative, smaller ball magnets. And for crying out load he is only on our rookie list - let's give him a go.
 
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Any chance of getting a comment from Redford? He seems to be someone who is a little more clued in on the U/18 kids.
 
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Has anyone actually seen this kid play? He seems like a good asset and the least we can do is give him a run on the rookie list. Awaiting comments about young nathan
 
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BalmyArmy said:
Is it still ok to bag people like Pettifer though? lol Dont really like him at all, and was bitterly dissapointed when he was kept.
Yeah he's had time to start showing a bit, my main beef was over the nitpicking on the young kids just starting out. They at least deserve a chance to actually do a preseason and get some serious skills and physical development time into them before we start pulling them apart.
 
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No arguments from me there TM.. I agree that these kids will take time time to develope, and not every one of them wil make it, but I am sick and tired of players who've been there for 3 or 4 years and haven't delivered. Maybe next summer we will delist the duds that remain.

Things are looking up however.
 
Colin Wisbey's profile of Nathan Foley

Date Posted: 14:25:37 12/20/03 Sat
Author: Colin Wisbey

Subject: Profile: Nathan Foley

Nathan Foley (Geelong Falcons)

178/74 mid-age right foot (dual-sided) inside midfielder/flanker.

Very quick ball-magnet with great leap, ethic.

I have him 35 in my rankings but I think more highly of him than that indicates. When I first played around with putting the players in some order based purely on my liking for them (without referring to my notes) I actually had him earlier. However, the need to accommodate talls earlier in the list (9 moved ahead) and certain other types for whom there is more demand (eg taller midfielders and some more robust types), and a preference to elevate kids who are very young or who have had injury affected seasons, along with a couple of queries I have in my notes about Foley, saw him keep slip down the order.

Were we in 1993 instead of 2003, I would have him earlier than 35. However this era of scrumby places greater emphasis on big-bodied types and that's where Foley is likely to be at a disadvantage.

May well go even later than I have him. Might be ready year 2, subject to weight.

*STYLE LIKE: Crawford

*TRADEMARK:

- Burst from traffic then accurate feed or accurate uppish kick
- Quick accurate clever feed or tap-on from traffic to a team mate running past.

*SUMMARY ASSESSMENT, RECOMMENDATION:

Is not big but is a natural footballer.

A coach's delight - on and off field.

I compared his style to Crawford's but even though Crawford is 4cm shorter and currently in the same weight bracket as the barely 18yo Foley, I recall Crawford even at Foley's age being more robust and better balanced inside traffic.

Moves well, poise under pressure, balance.

Excellent pace and ethic, uses well, smart.

Quick thinker & good user under pressure.

With more weight/strength I still think he could be more than handy AFL. Main query with his size and lack of strength is what role?

*DISPOSAL, DECISION-MAKING, SMARTS:

- Natural footballer. Highly creative. Reads ball well, reads play well. Especially consistent at roving the pack at stop plays. Has serious smarts, vision. Ball magnet midfielder who often receives but does also sit under fall of ball at stop plays and does get plenty of hard-ball. Good traffic management. Except for a lack of strength, is very good in close. Also roves the pack well.

- Excellent user by hand and accurate by foot.

- Terrific hands. Very clever and reliable at quick, accurate clever feed (including look-away) or tap-on / tap-over from traffic to a team mate running past.

- Is seriously dual-sided.
- Kicks are generally accurate but my problem with them is hang-time - they tend to float and put his team mate under pressure in doing so. Were it not for this and his physical strength, I would have him earlier. Having said that, he can regularly do a worm-burner pin-point pass over about 30m - even on his non-preferred foot.
- Good depth.
- Dangerous around goal but not super reliable. Adept at reflex snaps from in and around the goal-square. Snaps well but can also score from outside 50.

- Occasionally has a momentary lapse of concentration that can see an opponent slip him when he is man on the mark or watching elsewhere.

*HANDS:

- Clean handler, clean feeder.

*OVERHEAD MARKING:

- He plays small but is reliable when he goes for it 1-1. Great leap, sure hands.

*ATHLETICISM, INTENSITY, ETHIC, CONSISTENCY:

- Often plays art a "comfortable" pace around the ground below top gear but he is has lightning speed when he wants to use it, both off the mark and over ground. Terrific closing speed in a chase and ability to find another gear when being chased.

- Huge leap. I can't emphasis this enough. One of the factors against Foley is that he is only 178cm. He also has a 4cm reach disadvantage compared to the average player of his height. However, his leap more than compensates. I have noted this on many occasions throughout the year and his DC/SS result confirms it (beat95% of the 168 attendees). Sometimes a player has better or worse results in a DC test than they show in a game. Not Foley. The best single example probably came from the VC vs SA '03 U18 Champs game where he jumped high naturally, without any real run-up, to spoil an overhead marking attempt by the 201cm Dubieniecki, who was in good position in front of Foley.

- Great ethic, intensity. Is desperate. Throws himself under packs, chases, blocks, other 1%ers. Covers heap of ground. Runs and runs. Prolific tackler. (3rd in TAC comp).

- Lacks strength. Lays a heap of tackles, often with quite good technique, but quite a few don't stick. He currently lacks the strength to impede the opponent often enough. May improve in time with strength but is a problem against a strong opponent at the moment. Similarly, lack of strength sees him brought down and/or stripped too often.

- Has good evasion skills and should display them more often. Tends to mainly rely on his great pace at this stage.

- Courageous.

*SCI (SCOPE FOR CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT):

- Nothing special.

*AFL VERSATILITY:

- 178cm is an awkward height but especially for a slim guy. With extra strength he could play midfield in time. Meantime I see AFL potential as HFF, FP or even BP. Has a great combination of speed, acceleration, courage, disposal, smarts, leap.

*QUERY:

- Strength.
- Hang-time of kicks.

*SOME STATS:

- TAC: Averaged 30 disposals in 17 TAC games (3rd in comp). 3.7 marks, 6.6 tackles (3rd in comp), total 12 goals-11. 67% of disposals are kicks. 12% of his possessions are marks. At least 30 disposals in 10 games, including a 43. 2nd quietest game was 21D. Ast least 8 tackles in 8 games, including a 10 and an 11.
- Mid-way trend .. % change in disposals was 7%. % change in marks was -50%. % change in tackles was 15%.

- Stats summary '03 U18 Champs:
Averaged 15 disposals and 2.0 marks in 3 U18 Rep games.
Kicks vs feeds: approc ratio 2:1 favouring kicks (same as his TAC pattern).
Tackles: 5
S.P. clearances: 7 incl 2 cbc
Gets own ball?: 16/45 TD were HR. 6 HBG
Kicks long vs short: even
Kicking accuracy: 9/29 were ineff/clang incl 2 clang
Handball accuracy: 3/16 were ineff/clang incl 1 clang
Marking: 6 (incl 0 contested)

*OTHER STUFF:
- TAC Team Of Year TY: ROV.
- Won '03 club B&F.

http://www.voy.com/51976/628.html
 
Re:Colin Wisbey's profile of Nathan Foley

Well judging by this it seems like we backed a real winner. I would like to see him hit the weights. Um has anyone seen this guy play and does he take speckies at all? Cause it says he has a great leap but i think what richmond lack is a high flyer that goes for anything eg burton,robertson,thompson etc. We really need one. But other than that great profile of him and cant wait to watch him on fox footy next year for coburg
 
Re:Colin Wisbey's profile of Nathan Foley

It would be nice if he turned out to be a Phil Matera, or even better a Peter Matera, with a better temperament of course.
Good luck Nathan.
 
Re:Colin Wisbey's profile of Nathan Foley

Sounds like a good profile to have on the rookie list.

Has plenty of time to build up his body strength and has that much needed pace that we seem to lack on occasions.

Good luck to Nathan.
 
Re:Colin Wisbey's profile of Nathan Foley

Sounds like an excellent pick up for the rookie list, seems to have the necessary abilities but needs the time to develop some core strength. Just a query about his kicking floaters to position mentioned by Wisbey are these just floating mis- kicks or are these the up and under chip type kicks that Campbo sometimes uses when there is nothing on offer so he tries to put the ball up hoping for a key forward to take a strong overhead mark? I'm more than happy to see how he develops over the next couple of years.
 
Re:Colin Wisbey's profile of Nathan Foley

he meets my key requirement for a footballer he can get his hands on the bloody football. will watch with interest how he works on his kicking. its a shame we couldnt find room on the list for another one
 
Re:Colin Wisbey's profile of Nathan Foley

Congrats on nathan. He has done the first step which is being drafted now just work on ur game ok he knows he can find the ball so he just gotta think more laterally and yeh could become a great
 
Re:Colin Wisbey's profile of Nathan Foley

Just found an item where Wisbey rated Daniel Sipthorp as one 'likely to make it'.
Just goes to show, no-one is infallible.