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Marriage Equality

Giardiasis said:
Read on they got $7k

7k, Whoop-de-doo! I bet they've thrown it all on a bed somewhere in $5 notes and are lying around in it right now!

Your local councilor probably farts that much from their butt every morning. Dusty got what?, 50k just for appearing on a TV show to announce he signed a contract :eek: That's more than many workers earn in an entire year.
 
1eyedtiger said:
7k, Whoop-de-doo! I bet they've thrown it all on a bed somewhere in $5 notes and are lying around in it right now!

Your local councilor probably farts that much from their butt every morning. Dusty got what?, 50k just for appearing on a TV show to announce he signed a contract :eek: That's more than many workers earn in an entire year.
That's not the point is it. They should get $0 ffs, and the gov should have nothing to do with it.
 
Giardiasis said:
That's not the point is it. They should get $0 ffs, and the gov should have nothing to do with it.

The government make the laws. They're involved any way you look at it.

How much government funding is the 'no' campaign getting?
 
6000 years of recorded history show marriage has been between a man and a women. I have been sworn at, threatened to be killed, called homophobic, called a bigot all because I support something that has been around for 6000 years and is currently legal in Australia. I really don't think the Yes promoters have done themselves any favours by attacking people with what is currently the law. The hardest thing about love is to say I love you even though you have different views. If Love is important then the Yes voters need to say "Hey we know you are voting No and we love you regardless" that attitude would have secured 75% of the vote, now it will be 55% at best maybe even under 50%.

If your platform is Love you better make sure you practice what you preach.
 
tigertime2 said:
6000 years of recorded history show marriage has been between a man and a women. I have been sworn at, threatened to be killed, called homophobic, called a bigot all because I support something that has been around for 6000 years and is currently legal in Australia. I really don't think the Yes promoters have done themselves any favours by attacking people with what is currently the law. The hardest thing about love is to say I love you even though you have different views. If Love is important then the Yes voters need to say "Hey we know you are voting No and we love you regardless" that attitude would have secured 75% of the vote, now it will be 55% at best maybe even under 50%.

If your platform is Love you better make sure you practice what you preach.

I assume you used to support slavery? And would have been happy to not let women vote? Nor aboriginals?

Tradition - not an argument that survives a bit of scrutiny.
 
For 6000 years we used to smear ourselves in our own *smile* to keep ourselves warm.

I miss those days......
 
tigertime2 said:
6000 years of recorded history show marriage has been between a man and a women. I have been sworn at, threatened to be killed, called homophobic, called a bigot all because I support something that has been around for 6000 years and is currently legal in Australia. I really don't think the Yes promoters have done themselves any favours by attacking people with what is currently the law. The hardest thing about love is to say I love you even though you have different views. If Love is important then the Yes voters need to say "Hey we know you are voting No and we love you regardless" that attitude would have secured 75% of the vote, now it will be 55% at best maybe even under 50%.

If your platform is Love you better make sure you practice what you preach.

6000 years? That's a stupidly small amount of time.

It's about .0002% of the time that we've had life on earth, and about 2% of the time that humans have been around.

We killed and raped each other for fun for hundreds of thousands of years. Not sure the length of time of human's doing something is at all relevant to what is the morally right thing to do now.
 
Coburgtiger said:
Not sure the length of time of human's doing something is at all relevant to what is the morally right thing to do now.

I think tt2 gets his direction from "above" given his comments in the Christianity thread. No surprise he hasn't moved on for a few thousand years.
 
Lots of fabricated stuff on here to suit your own view. But hey let's not let facts get in the way of the truth.
 
Coburgtiger said:
6000 years? That's a stupidly small amount of time.

It's about .0002% of the time that we've had life on earth, and about 2% of the time that humans have been around.

We killed and raped each other for fun for hundreds of thousands of years. Not sure the length of time of human's doing something is at all relevant to what is the morally right thing to do now.

6000 is well recognised as the time of RECORDED human history.

2% of the time. Really? Don't know what evidence you would like to back that statement up with. Now I want facts not theory.

Humans are still raping and killing each other - nothing has changed.
 
MD Jazz said:
I assume you used to support slavery? And would have been happy to not let women vote? Nor aboriginals?

Tradition - not an argument that survives a bit of scrutiny.

Everything New and modern must be right. That is the dumbest method to approach any argument.
 
'Vote no to fags': Outbreak of homophobic violence, vandalism in same-sex marriage campaign

Michael Koziol

Swastikas and vile phrases such as "vote no to fags" have been scrawled on trains, and homes flying the rainbow flag have been attacked, in an outbreak of homophobic violence and vandalism accompanying the postal survey on same-sex marriage.

Tasmanian police have also laid charges over the alleged assault of a transgender teenager in Hobart on Friday, just a day after former prime minister Tony Abbott was headbutted by a self-proclaimed anarchist DJ in the same area.

The incidents further test Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull's claim that "overwhelmingly, Australians are engaging in this debate respectfully", with six weeks to go until the deadline for survey forms to be received by the Australian Bureau of Statistics.

In Sydney, photos surfaced of obscene graffiti inside a train carriage, including swastikas and the phrases "vote no! to fags" and "faggots not welcome". The photos were uploaded to the Reddit website last week by a user who said they saw the "absolutely f--king disgusting" graffiti on a train journey to Circular Quay.

Queensland police are also investigating an apparent vandalism spree in South Brisbane targeting homes flying the rainbow flag. In one incident late on Sunday night, large rocks were thrown into the home of 22-year-old Olivia Hill, who had affixed "yes" banners and rainbow signs to the property.

Ms Hill said she heard a man yelling homophobic slurs such as "you faggots, you poofters" and that three large rocks were thrown through her windows. "It happened really fast and I was also incredibly terrified," she told Fairfax Media.

"I'm a bi woman and one day I might want to marry the woman that I love. We live on a main street and we just wanted everyone who walks past to feel that they were loved and supported. This is the first thing that I've experienced as blatant homophobia."

In total, Queensland Police said officers were investigating vandalism against four South Brisbane properties at the weekend, including three homes that were sprayed with swastika graffiti. All four properties were displaying rainbow flags, a police spokesperson said.

Meanwhile in Tasmania, police charged a 32-year-old man with common assault following an altercation on Friday with a 16-year-old in Hobart's CBD. Police said the incident occurred "during a marriage equality debate".

The Hobart Mercury identified the victim as 16-year-old Thalia Black. The transgender teen and her friend, Samuel Mazur, told the newspaper the alleged assailant put his hands around her throat and started squeezing.

"I was really scared, I don't feel as safe as I used to," she was quoted as saying. "I'm wondering if I'm going to get be attacked again."

"It happened really fast and I was also incredibly terrified": Olivia Hill's home was attacked with rocks. Photo: Supplied
Separately, a neo-Nazi group posted swastikas, images of Adolf Hitler and homophobic messages around the University of Tasmania.

The Coalition for Marriage, the official "no" campaign group, would not directly condemn the incidents but referred to a statement issued last week following the Abbott headbutt.

The statement said it was incumbent on all those seeking to participate in the debate "to do so in a respectful manner".

Lyle Shelton, managing director of the Australian Christian Lobby, a leader of the "no" campaign", tweeted in response to reports: "I always condemn violence & uncivil behaviour."

Labor's spokeswoman for equality, Terri Butler, said the incidents were "abhorrent" and underlined why a "national opinion poll on people's human rights" was a bad idea.

"This is an inherently bad process," she told Fairfax Media. "You can try to ameliorate the worst aspects of it but you can't fix a process that's inherently wrong.

"At the end of the day, we're asking a majority to cast judgment on the human rights of a minority."

Mr Turnbull last week called for "calm and restraint" in the wake of the Abbott assault, and reminded campaigners they did not assist their cause by engaging in violence or abuse.
Originally published on smh.com.au as ''Vote no to fags': Outbreak of homophobic violence, vandalism in same-sex marriage campaign'.

http://www.watoday.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/vote-no-to-fags-outbreak-of-homophobic-violence-vandalism-in-samesex-marriage-campaign-20170925-gyo9ri.html

its strange we dont hear much about people voting yes because of the behaviour of no campaigners, but people getting a text message pushes will supposedly sway people from voting 'yes'
 
Giardiasis said:
Tax payer money at work. Of course the other side don't get the same treatment. We are all equal...

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/09/15/same-sex-marriage-love-group-monitor-anti-lgbtiq-content-during-campaign

it is not money for campaigning. it is money to monitor hate-speech, which we know will be directed at the LQGTBI community.

while on the other hand, the christian lobby gets all kinds of tax breaks, then spend $$$$$ campaigning.

you claim to be against gov intervention, but all your rants are always against the 'left'.
 
Brodders17 said:
it is not money for campaigning. it is money to monitor hate-speech, which we know will be directed at the LQGTBI community.

while on the other hand, the christian lobby gets all kinds of tax breaks, then spend $$$$$ campaigning.

you claim to be against gov intervention, but all your rants are always against the 'left'.
Yeah hate speech, I wonder who gets to decide what that means. You don't think there hasn't been a fair proportion of hateful speech directed towards people that have spoken up about voting no?

Well the left are particularly anti liberty, no government can be big enough for the left. I am no fan of the right and have regularly spoken against expansive foreign policy that right wingers love.
 
tigertime2 said:
Everything New and modern must be right. That is the dumbest method to approach any argument.
i think your response just hit the "dumbest" approach category.....
 
MD Jazz said:
I assume you used to support slavery? And would have been happy to not let women vote? Nor aboriginals?

Tradition - not an argument that survives a bit of scrutiny.

The arguments aren't the same. Slavery prevented an entire race from having basic human rights.
Same as women and indigenous Australians getting to vote.

Marriage isn't a basic human right.
Can everyone survive without Marriage? Yes
Can you eat? Do you have shelter? Safety?
Can you protest? Freedom of religion, speech, political association? All yes.

Legal equality is a big no. That needs to be fixed.
But saying traditions need to be modified is highly debatable. Tradition does not always equal bad.