I agree. They may not win you the flag, but, without these types playing consistently, you don't even make finals. When the oppo midfield starts to dominate, we need them to be really good defensively at centre bounces, forcing a secondary stoppage. As soon as that happens, 6-6-6 is out the window and we can bring up extras to create more congestion until we get the play on our terms.He's almost a clone of Graham for me. Both good additions to the midfield, but aren't the x-factor that you need to win premierships ... having 2 strong defensive mids is good for us