Ivan Soldo

[LeeToRainesToRoach]

Bentley/Dyer, Wright/Morris, Grigg/Soldo

Richmond, home of the great ruck combinations.

 

[Blind Turn]

Nank can't play forward.

He's a ruck.

A big man needs a couple of key ingredients to succeed in the ruck position.
1. An acute understanding of their physical superiority over smaller players and preparedness to use that advantage.
2. A degree of explosiveness and power to push out of a contest or to attack a contest.
3. Ability to mark the ball.
I've seen enough of Saldo. Doesn't possess the first, either doesn't have or doesn't use the second ( and if you don't have it you can't teach it ) but seems reasonable with the third.
Ranga Brown had more and didn't make it. I'm calling it a bust

 

[tigerlove]

A big man needs a couple of key ingredients to succeed in the ruck position.
1. An acute understanding of their physical superiority over smaller players and preparedness to use that advantage.
2. A degree of explosiveness and power to push out of a contest or to attack a contest.
3. Ability to mark the ball.
I've seen enough of Saldo. Doesn't possess the first, either doesn't have or doesn't use the second ( and if you don't have it you can't teach it ) but seems reasonable with the third.
Ranga Brown had more and didn't make it. I'm calling it a bust

He is only 21 years old. Many ruckmen don't realise #1 until they are much older. #2 is the difficult one, I agree, it's something you're typically born with, that undeniable desire for the ball. It's going to be interesting to see how he goes. Maybe he's that sort of bloke who rises to the challenge.

 

[Sintiger]

A big man needs a couple of key ingredients to succeed in the ruck position.
1. An acute understanding of their physical superiority over smaller players and preparedness to use that advantage.
2. A degree of explosiveness and power to push out of a contest or to attack a contest.
3. Ability to mark the ball.
I've seen enough of Saldo. Doesn't possess the first, either doesn't have or doesn't use the second ( and if you don't have it you can't teach it ) but seems reasonable with the third.
Ranga Brown had more and didn't make it. I'm calling it a bust

This is a kid who has improved exponentially every season he has been at the club. When he first arrived we played him in the TAC because he didn't know how to play the game, I think he had 2 possessions in his first TAC game. He has progressed to being a pretty decent vfl player, at times very good. He is 21 years old and very big and physically imposing.

To get where he is now is not a bust. By 23-24 he could well be a very accomplished ruck if his trajectory continues and that's really when most rucks come into their own.

We continually criticise the club for not planning and looking forward. The Soldo experiment was worth a shot and so far is definitely nowhere near a bust. He reminds me of Jacobs at Adelaide who by the way was like an uncoordinated giraffe in his early days at Carltoon.

 

[tigersnake]

He is only 21 years old. Many ruckmen don't realise #1 until they are much older. #2 is the difficult one, I agree, it's something you're typically born with, that undeniable desire for the ball. It's going to be interesting to see how he goes. Maybe he's that sort of bloke who rises to the challenge.

few explosive bits in his highlight package. I know its only a highlight package, but still, its there.

 

[Blind Turn]

This is a kid who has improved exponentially every season he has been at the club. When he first arrived we played him in the TAC because he didn't know how to play the game, I think he had 2 possessions in his first TAC game. He has progressed to being a pretty decent vfl player, at times very good. He is 21 years old and very big and physically imposing.

To get where he is now is not a bust. By 23-24 he could well be a very accomplished ruck if his trajectory continues and that's really when most rucks come into their own.

We continually criticise the club for not planning and looking forward. The Soldo experiment was worth a shot and so far is definitely nowhere near a bust. He reminds me of Jacobs at Adelaide who by the way was like an uncoordinated giraffe in his early days at Carltoon.

I totally get his improvement trajectory although it was coming off an extraordinary low base. He certainly has progressed in many areas, especially football I.Q ( because he had none ) Yes he is big and imposing but does he use it? I havent seen it.
Toby Nankervis is 22yrs old i believe so age is not an excuse for lack of athletic traits that I mention and worry about in point 2. Check out the 43 second mark of his highlights package on the RFC website. That spectating is what worries me. Fortuitously the ball came back and fell in his arms. Maybe he's a better reader of the play than I'm giving him credit for!
I'm not necessarily a hater. Just a keen observer of junior talent

 

[TigerForce]

I totally get his improvement trajectory although it was coming off an extraordinary low base. He certainly has progressed in many areas, especially football I.Q ( because he had none ) Yes he is big and imposing but does he use it? I havent seen it.
Toby Nankervis is 22yrs old i believe so age is not an excuse for lack of athletic traits that I mention and worry about in point 2. Check out the 43 second mark of his highlights package on the RFC website. That spectating is what worries me. Fortuitously the ball came back and fell in his arms. Maybe he's a better reader of the play than I'm giving him credit for! I'm not necessarily a hater. Just a keen observer of junior talent

Neither have I.

Same here.

 

[Gazmatron]

Bentley/Dyer, Wright/Morris, Grigg/Soldo

Richmond, home of the great ruck combinations.

Balme/ Green and Roberts/ McKellar were pretty useful.. Hope he has a good game

 

[Tigerfan]

Nank can't play forward.

He's a ruck.

I think if he stood 15 meters out and lead at the ball, he'd catch a few and kick a few.

 

[St Kevin]

I think if he stood 15 meters out and lead at the ball, he'd catch a few and kick a few.

A tactic that could be called 'The Vickery'.

 

[dimmauchump]

I've seen enough of this kid to know he ain't got no chance of making it as an AFL Footballer. Cannot believe the praise he is receiving. People actually think he is going to have a decent game tomorrow. :

The guy will be murdered. Shows just how terrible the clubs planning and list management has been when we are relying on this kid to be our No 1 ruckman tomorrow.

If this kid was an athletic beast then i could handle the lack of game knowledge. He has neither and will be totally embarrassed against the Doggies. Put this down as another selection shocker ala Morris.

Really hope i have plenty of egg on my face Saturday night. Can't see it though.

 

[Ghost of Punt Road]

I have seen Soldo do some great stuff on the VFL field, but he isn;t ready.

Therefore I don't expect much Saturday, but long term perhaps....

 

[Rfc4Ever]

Soldo was good 2 x weeks ago in the VFL but didn't do much at all last week whereas Maric was servicable.

Prestia should have been dropped 2 weeks ago and Miles should have neen rewarded earlier for outstanding VFL form.

Real shame with Conca - showed some good form and looked settled prior to his injury.

Morris and Hunt should remain in the VFL pending their delistings at seasons end.

I despise seeing Hardwick talking about team selection with a smirk on his face as if he doesn't have a care in the world due to us being 1 win from top spot on the ladder.

I can see our season going downhill very quickly.

The excuses will be interesting if that happens.

 

[Sintiger]

I totally get his improvement trajectory although it was coming off an extraordinary low base. He certainly has progressed in many areas, especially football I.Q ( because he had none ) Yes he is big and imposing but does he use it? I havent seen it.
Toby Nankervis is 22yrs old i believe so age is not an excuse for lack of athletic traits that I mention and worry about in point 2. Check out the 43 second mark of his highlights package on the RFC website. That spectating is what worries me. Fortuitously the ball came back and fell in his arms. Maybe he's a better reader of the play than I'm giving him credit for!
I'm not necessarily a hater. Just a keen observer of junior talent

Nankervis is actually very young to be doing so well. The norm is Max Gawn, Jacobs, Cox, Jolly, Mumford and Marie. Best footy at 24 onwards
To write off a 21 year old ruck playing well in the vfl is just plain madness.
Thanks

 

[Blind Turn]

Nankervis is actually very young to be doing so well. The norm is Max Gawn, Jacobs, Cox, Jolly, Mumford and Marie. Best footy at 24 onwards
To write off a 21 year old ruck playing well in the vfl is just plain madness.
Thanks

And that's the beauty of opinions. They're like arseholes......

 

[evo]

few explosive bits in his highlight package. I know its only a highlight package, but still, its there.

I'm cautiously optimistic on Soldos prospects. The bar for being a productive ruckman in the AFL is actually pretty low when you think about it. Certainly lower than most other positions on the ground. You just need to be tall, an adequate tapman and be able to clunk a mark. I reckon if he could take 3 or 4 contested marks, that could be considered a great success. Certainly better than hammertime has managed in his illustrious career.

Necessity has given him a great opportunity. Hopefully he grabs it with both hands, pardon the pun.

 

[TOT70]

Yeah,he's a doofus but there are plenty of doofuses who have played and continue to play senior footy. He looks to me like he can hold down a spot as a back up ruckman for a few seasons. If Jake Spencer, Jonathan Griffen, Mike Pyke, Cameron Wood, Jarrod Witts, Tom Bellchambers and Matthew Lobbe can eke out careers that last more than five years, so can he.

 

[evo]

Yeah,he's a doofus but there are plenty of doofuses who have played and continue to play senior footy. He looks to me like he can hold down a spot as a back up ruckman for a few seasons. If Jake Spencer, Jonathan Griffen, Mike Pyke, Cameron Wood, Jarrod Witts, Tom Bellchambers and Matthew Lobbe can eke out careers that last more than five years, so can he.

Jake Spencer is a good analogy. He stood up well when given the chance.

 

[Sintiger]

And that's the beauty of opinions. They're like *smile*s......

Not sure where the thanks came from at the end of the post. I actually was typing a sentence and got interrupted and sent it without finishing.

I think I was going to write something like " thanks to all the injuries we will get to see how far he has come even though he is probably not ready"

You are right about opinions though. What's the other one ? They are like a....oles , we all have one !!!

 

[Blind Turn]

Not sure where the thanks came from at the end of the post. I actually was typing a sentence and got interrupted and sent it without finishing.

I think I was going to write something like " thanks to all the injuries we will get to see how far he has come even though he is probably not ready"

You are right about opinions though. What's the other one ? They are like a....oles , we all have one !!!

I actually wrote that but big brother ( or maybe big Cousin ) censored me!