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Is youth still an excuse??
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thejinx said:
Against Freo at home? I thought we were OK. Anyway what do you call marginal? Also Freo have some class players - Hill, Pavlich and Sandilands (and probably few others I am forgetting).
I agree there is more to is than simply age and experience, we are paying for 10 years of recruiting and administrative mismanagement, but we must be realistic. Play a youth based side and you will get smashed on occasions.
Djevv said:
From memory, our age brackets were spread very similar. We had 2 more guys aged over 30, they had 2 more aged between 26-30, but other than that, our ages and experience were very similar. Wish I had the data here... I remember noticing the similarities when I was reviewing the game, and was surpised at how similar we were when it came to ages, and age spread.
Of course we're going to get smashed, I completely understand that. I just think we're getting smashed for the a lot of reasons unrelated to age and/or inexperience.
cagedtiger said:
LMFAO.
Nice one, I wonder how many people have actually read what you wrote :hihi
Its amazing isn't it, panic stations, no no no sack the coach I say, that will do it. (sarcasm is wonderful isn't it)
In answer to the initial question.
Yes youth is an excuse 6 rounds in Graystar.
jamo said:
No-one wants to sack the coach. But we've got a long, dark road ahead of us and things aren't going to magically get better just because our guys get older and more experienced.
Most of our problems at the moment have nothing to do with youth and inexperience.
jamo said:
Tend to agree, many of our players that had been around the club for a fews years imo have not been developed properly.
I am hoping throughout the year they begin to catch up and have shown signs of being competivity. Next few weeks should be interesting in the results.
jamo said:
Laziness and not knowing what hard work really is.
Also our collective attitude. We don't seem to have the most competitive guys at the club. They're all too happy to pat each other on the back and high five each other when things are going to sh!t. I know a lot of people here are a fan of the positive reinforcement philosophy, and that works to a degree, but you look at Geelong a few years ago before they become a top line club and how that infamous meeting they had with each other changed their fortunes. They decided to draw a line in the sand and no longer accept mediocrity from each other and were straight down the line about each others deficiencies etc. Now look at where they are.
We just don't seem to be like that, and never have been. The guys pat each other on the back when they make a crucial error, instead of demanding more from each other.
As I said, a lot of people like the positive reinforcement stuff, but I think it's been a major problem for us, particularly since Terry Wallace made a big deal of it.
jamo said:
Why? Because we're playing young guys? Playing young guys is only part of the solution. How many youngsters have come and gone at this club over the past 10 years. Too many to count. What's stopping the current group of youngsters from ending up the same way?
Playing youth isn't a magical answer. It's only part of the solution.
IMO, we need to be tough, unrelenting, chase hard, tackle hard, run hard when we have the ball, support each other, sheppard, smother, crash packs, and be more demanding of each other to become better players and a better team.
Youth certainly is a problem, but it's also used to often as an excuse. Poor players were all young at one stage. Players don't automatically become better with age.
tigers80 said:
Lids topped the uncontested possession today and 4th on effective kicks. Newman topped effective kicks. Yes this includes Geelong players.
Itwas clear that we weren't going to win today but a lack of effort and intensity just meant what was probably
going to be a ten goal loss became an 18 goal loss.
Youth is a good reason to be losing but not an excuse to give a gutless effort. Contributing to
bad intensity was a poor effort from players who are clearly at the cross roads.
going to be a ten goal loss became an 18 goal loss.
Youth is a good reason to be losing but not an excuse to give a gutless effort. Contributing to
bad intensity was a poor effort from players who are clearly at the cross roads.
thejinx said:
ummm. no.
according to the H-Sin the age brackets went like this:
30+: freo- 0 tigers 2
25-29: freo- 10 tigers 3
20-24: freo- 8 tigers 12
<20: freo 4 tigers 5.
thats a big diff in the 25-29 bracket. the games spread is similar but they bracket games 1-100 together. a first game player is a lot different to a 90 game player.
they had an average age of of 24.18 and 77 games. we had 22.96 age and 62 games, about a year difference.
Mr Richmond said:
Agree Mr Richmond Also looking at norths [players they are alot bigger as well (skinny flankers) we have
thejinx said:
If memory serves me correctly jinx, the cats played finals two years in a row and missed a GF only because of five minutes of brilliance from Nick bloody Davis before they collapsed in a heap for all of one season. They had the talent just reaching the right maturity and the right coach and game plan.
They only lacked the few home truths rammed exactly where needed to become the champion side they've proven themselves to be.
I'm not a huge fan of overdosing on positive reinforcement but when the boys are going out pretty much knowing they're going to get their arses kicked each week. I see no harm in them taking some small enjoyment out of the times they get things right and backing their teammates on gameday when things go horribly wrong.
IrockZ said:
Yes pointless - he should be tackled and give up the ball instead. He is one of the more accurate kicks in the side. He has had plenty of accurate kicks in the F50.
