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Goodbye Mabior Chol
- Thread starter Rancey18
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Calling a spade a spade, he was woeful. Did he want to even be out there? Too cold, too wet? Was pushed off like a ragdoll in ruck contests and then no followup at ground level. This is the Chol I have seen before spitting the dummy. His lack of killer instinct, lack of determination to fight back when being beaten will be why he doesn't ultimately succeed. Extremely disappointed as he had shown some improving signs. Last 2 games just not there at all.
You are right. No way Chol is anywhere ready to play finals footy. Problem is who then backs up Nanks in the ruck? I can't see any other option than Soldo. Didn't think I'd be saying it a few weeks ago but Soldo has performed well enough to get the nod. Personally I'd consider CCJ as he definitely can play forward but I suspect the hierarchy has deemed him not yet ready and pencilled in for a full VFL finals campaign.
Was disappointed in many of his lacklustre efforts against Melbourne.
Has got some skills and talent but I am starting to wonder about his willingness to present for contests where he has to absorb some physical punishment. Seems to shy away from doing the really competitive things, which can't be tolerated in finals matches.
Another ordinary performance and I would send him back to the VFL side.
Bring back Nank when he is ready and settle in he and Soldo as the preferred ruck combination for the finals.
Has got some skills and talent but I am starting to wonder about his willingness to present for contests where he has to absorb some physical punishment. Seems to shy away from doing the really competitive things, which can't be tolerated in finals matches.
Another ordinary performance and I would send him back to the VFL side.
Bring back Nank when he is ready and settle in he and Soldo as the preferred ruck combination for the finals.
He wasn’t good last night. Really lacked intensity and effort. In saying that - he wasn’t alone.
I'm worried that he's getting a little bit too happy with himself and may have started thinking he's in for good!
Possibly time for a wake up call?
Ivan may not be as flamboyant, but at the moment he's showing heaps more intensity.
Possibly time for a wake up call?
Ivan may not be as flamboyant, but at the moment he's showing heaps more intensity.
I don't think it was a night for big men, and Chol was not putting in enough effort to try make that perception false. I think he's been OK for a few weeks, and offers something Soldo doesn't when he's not rucking.
I wouldn't drop him this week, I'd be telling him he's dropped to the unacceptable level and has to redeem himself in the strongest possible way. Then see if he responds to the pressure increase.
I wouldn't drop him this week, I'd be telling him he's dropped to the unacceptable level and has to redeem himself in the strongest possible way. Then see if he responds to the pressure increase.
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The whole backline semed to take great joy in kicking it long up the line to where GAWN was.
Gawn dutifully took the mark. If Gawn knew where it was going, why were all his marks uncontested? Chol and Ivan were no where near their opponent.
Gawn dutifully took the mark. If Gawn knew where it was going, why were all his marks uncontested? Chol and Ivan were no where near their opponent.
Yeah Gawn had a blinder, particularly in general play although to be fair, I was surprised we got on top with the centre clearance - that was a good sign.
Gawn is the AA ruckman at the moment with Grundy form dropping away, not surprised he smashed us around the ground.
Chol still offers something as a forward target but can he fill the whole late in the game down the line and in defence - which is where ruckman earn their dollars in finals.
Gawn is the AA ruckman at the moment with Grundy form dropping away, not surprised he smashed us around the ground.
Chol still offers something as a forward target but can he fill the whole late in the game down the line and in defence - which is where ruckman earn their dollars in finals.
Bad time to put in a less than stellar game. I’m thinking he may make way for Nank next week. Soldo by contrast was pretty good.
Yep. Worked a bit more physical in the second half, but overall not a performance you'd want to be having with Nank ready to reclaim his seniors spot.
Guessing Soldo n Nank will share the ruck for next week n if the pair can work together it might be Cholly n Cujo rucking magoos for the rest of the year, reckon Soldo's grown enough to keep his place in the seniors.
Cholly's just gotta learn to stay more involved in the game for longer periods, he's got some quality talent just gotta use it more.
Really disappointing game given what was on the line.
I reckon there is still a case for matching the rucks against each opponent. Soldo first ruck against the giants/guns, with nank second ruck. And for the rest, nank first ruck with soldo the more agile second ruck.
Hopefully Cholly has now learnt what it will take and apply himself over the summer. He has all the tools with great development support.
Agree. Quiet night with Soldo showing more. I'd rather go for all 3 ruck this week against Cartoon just to give Nank a half-game to feel the 1sts again, and let Choldo do the rest of the work. Just get Nank primed for WC the week after. Then again, as it's becoming difficult to drop players, looks like it might just be Nank for Chol.
Plays like a small forward in a ruckman’s body. After 10 years of playing/watching the game, his reading of the game is unlikely to ever improve enough to become a consistent contributor as a quality small forward who also happens to be tall.
This means it’s do-or-die for Chol to play as a big man.
Big men hit hard, bust packs, and get physical.
This means it’s do-or-die for Chol to play as a big man.
Big men hit hard, bust packs, and get physical.
What both Chol, and Ivan to less of an extent, lack are football awareness smarts that good footballers naturally have. Watch Baker’s overhead mark in the last where he instinctively bodies his opponent before taking the mark. And he’s the shortest guy on the ground! Just an example of a player with natural talent that you can’t teach but can develop if you start young enough.
Soldo and Chol simply struggle with the combination of reading ball flight in the air, reacting to it quick enough and understanding their opponents body positioning. It’s called applied Sherin quantum movement physics ( or football smarts for short ) JackR has the most of it and Chol probably the least. He’s only capable at leading at the ball in space. Once he’s in congestion, he’s lost in space.
Has many fine attributes and could be a valuable player but don’t expect him to play as a big man against talls that can mark.
If you’re keen to invest.All the way with CCJ!!
Not the best conditions for tall forwards with Riewoldt struggling too.
Reckon he'll get another crack against the Blues. Needs to impress though.
Reckon he'll get another crack against the Blues. Needs to impress though.
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