Goal Kicking Probabilities

[TigerMasochist]

The foot can't be stopped dead the moment after the ball has left the foot unless you want risk an injury.

Obviously yandb. The thing is that ninety five percent of the work is done in the lead up and in the momentary point of contact, doesn't matter what the game. Footy, Tennis, Golf. The " follow through " is purely continued momentum from the action of the strike that saves the striker from falling on their arse. Looks good but does nothin.

 

[Carter]

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Obviously yandb. The thing is that ninety five percent of the work is done in the lead up and in the momentary point of contact, doesn't matter what the game. Footy, Tennis, Golf. The " follow through " is purely continued momentum from the action of the strike that saves the striker from falling on their arse. Looks good but does nothin.
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Ok, so in your mind the time-honoured tradition of stabbing at the ball for more control doesn't exist.

Wipe every 15m pass from the history of the game.

Crikey.

 

[TigerMasochist]

Ok, so in your mind the time-honoured tradition of stabbing at the ball for more control doesn't exist.

Wipe every 15m pass from the history of the game.

Crikey.

Don't know where you pulled this crap idea from Cartman.
I simply commented on your story about Griff's legs being to long for him to kick the ball properly because he has to much follow through, your comments not mine. My opinion is that follow through is virtually irrelevant as all the work is done in the lead up to and point of impact. Follow through is only maintaining momentum and balance of the action so you don't fall on your arse or so you can look good, stylin.
Has nothing to do whether someone is kicking or hitting a ball five meters or fifty meters.
For what it's worth I reckon Griff has one of the best kicking actions in the comp, either short or long. Needs to have one of those boom days where he nails the three or four shots at goal he gets without a miss for confidence n belief. Perhaps less running up and down the ground causing lactic build up in the muscles n heavy legs, with more inside fifty old fashioned forward work would see his goal kicking more on target.

 

[AMPS]

Obviously yandb. The thing is that ninety five percent of the work is done in the lead up and in the momentary point of contact, doesn't matter what the game. Footy, Tennis, Golf. The " follow through " is purely continued momentum from the action of the strike that saves the striker from falling on their arse. Looks good but does nothin.

Follow through not important in tennis/golf??? You've never been coached in either then TM. They crack on about the finish all the time. It's all part of a successful hit/strike/kick etc

 

[Carter]

Don't know where you pulled this crap idea from Cartman.
I simply commented on your story about Griff's legs being to long for him to kick the ball properly because he has to much follow through, your comments not mine. My opinion is that follow through is virtually irrelevant as all the work is done in the lead up to and point of impact. Follow through is only maintaining momentum and balance of the action so you don't fall on your arse or so you can look good, stylin.
Has nothing to do whether someone is kicking or hitting a ball five meters or fifty meters.
For what it's worth I reckon Griff has one of the best kicking actions in the comp, either short or long. Needs to have one of those boom days where he nails the three or four shots at goal he gets without a miss for confidence n belief. Perhaps less running up and down the ground causing lactic build up in the muscles n heavy legs, with more inside fifty old fashioned forward work would see his goal kicking more on target.

Griff's action is too heavy for shots within 40m.

He needs to re-tool his close shot technique.

Shouldn't be too much of a stretch 'cos his short passing is elite.

Stab it, Griffo boy.

 

[TigerMasochist]

Follow through not important in tennis/golf??? You've never been coached in either then TM. They crack on about the finish all the time. It's all part of a successful hit/strike/kick etc

So when the ball is thirty meters off the club face that final bit of swivel n air swing as you dangle the club over your opposite shoulder is all important? Give me a break.

 

[yandb]

The follow through is a result of the action, if the technique is good then the follow through is good . Did anyone see the kick for goal by Cloke in the second half, the viewer had a perfect view from behind. Cloke dropped the ball and literally kicked the ball at the behind post with obvious results.

One way to overcome the yips closer in is to pick a target behind the goals and pass the ball to that target.

 

[AngryAnt]

The follow through is a result of the action, if the technique is good then the follow through is good .

This.

It's an indication of correct form and technique from the start to finish of the execution. Now in theory you could just stop dead after the ball has ceased contact with the foot, but of course the real world and physics ain't like that. A poor follow through is often symptomatic of a deeper problem earlier on in the process.

 

[AMPS]

So when the ball is thirty meters off the club face that final bit of swivel n air swing as you dangle the club over your opposite shoulder is all important? Give me a break.

See the previous posts. The emphasis on the correct finish and completing the swing is all about encouraging proper technique.

 

[Chimptastic]

We need someone with a biophysics background to explain this properly to us! Too many wannabe scientists in this thread :hihi

Let's google it.

Edit:
Here's an article on the topic. They believe the followthrough has no effect and is only a sign of the preceding sequence of actions being sound or not:

https://gricho20.wordpress.com/2013/04/18/what-are-the-basic-biomechanical-principles-to-consistently-kick-an-afl-football-successfully/

 

[yandb]

Chimp if you read my last post this is what I posted in slightly different words.

 

[Chimptastic]

Chimp if you read my last post this is what I posted in slightly different words.

Found something for other readers to look at if they thought differently

 

[TigerMasochist]

We need someone with a biophysics background to explain this properly to us! Too many wannabe scientists in this thread :hihi

Let's google it.

Edit:
Here's an article on the topic. They believe the followthrough has no effect and is only a sign of the preceding sequence of actions being sound or not:

https://gricho20.wordpress.com/2013/04/18/what-are-the-basic-biomechanical-principles-to-consistently-kick-an-afl-football-successfully/

Quality work Chimptatstic. Now if only we could get Cartman and AMPS to read and comprehend the article I can rest my point of discussion.

 

[jb03]

We need someone with a biophysics background to explain this properly to us! Too many wannabe scientists in this thread :hihi

Let's google it.

Edit:
Here's an article on the topic. They believe the followthrough has no effect and is only a sign of the preceding sequence of actions being sound or not:

https://gricho20.wordpress.com/2013/04/18/what-are-the-basic-biomechanical-principles-to-consistently-kick-an-afl-football-successfully/

Think that is what A-man said

 

[Chimptastic]

I remember seeing a documentary about this on discovery science, for NRL punting.

I actually forget the specifics of it, so maybe someone else saw it and can elaborate. Anyway they used a huge 20m tall circular-rotating straight-leg machine (long followthrough), a super-fast horizontal machine (no followthrough), and a human leg (control) or something like that. The huge machine with huge followthrough was dismal. The super-fast but horizontal wedge kicked the ball about 30 metres. The human leg won by far.

Their conclusion was that nothing beats good efficient biomechanics... not raw power, not raw speed, and not followthrough... golfers will certainly understand.

 

[Carter]

Quality work Chimptatstic. Now if only we could get Cartman and AMPS to read and comprehend the article I can rest my point of discussion.

nope.

I said Griffiths needs to change his goalkicking technique when close to goal.

you said that follow-through means nothing and I corrected you.

a simple thanks would be nice :hihi

 

[AngryAnt]

Think that is what A-man said

Unfortunately Cartman thinks I'm an idiot so we better throw that article out, clearly those blokes have no idea either :hihi

 

[poppa x]

I try and avoid follow throughs.

 

[Tigerfan]

YT you are correct (just going on memory) but if you watched on the couch, Hardwick does imply that that was not how he had planned the team to play. If that is the case then the game plan the team played on Sunday was an accident.

I am going on memory here (I deleted the recording of on the couch on Wed.) Even if he didn't use the exact words he says that' This is not the way we want to play going forward'. YT if you have the recording you can confirm the exact words that Hardwick used.

Look at our scores against this year.

Collingwood really got hold of us.
Dimma would be thrilled that we kept port to 5 goals

 

[TigerMasochist]

I try and avoid follow throughs.

;D It's the preferable option.

Unfortunately some just spray everywhere n seem to enjoy it.