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Global Warming

Hey, dont blame me about the poet thing. That's how the guy describes himself at the bottom of the article Gia cited.
 
This is a major shift in thinking. Our astromonical consumption is polluting the earth (i'm not gunna bother arguing about it again here). The only way to address it is to start charging people to pollute, simple. The sky won't fall. People will just think before they consume, ie, waste less. New industries will blossom, a capitalist dream, old lazy dirty ones will fade away. Australia doing it early will just put us ahead of the game.

What this is is another major shift in thinking. Just like ending slavery, equality for women, acknowleging that smoking kills you. etc. If Punt Road End End were 200 years old, we would have had on this board people saying 'I don't accept that blacks are human, my slaves like working for me'. 'Women aren't smart enough to vote, my wife doesn't even want to'. 'Smoking is good for you, it puts a spring in my step' etc, etc.

Its a no brainer. If its free to pollute, Pollution will stuff-up the planet.
 
tigersnake said:
This is a major shift in thinking. Our astromonical consumption is polluting the earth (i'm not gunna bother arguing about it again here). The only way to address it is to start charging people to pollute, simple. The sky won't fall. People will just think before they consume, ie, waste less. New industries will blossom, a capitalist dream, old lazy dirty ones will fade away. Australia doing it early will just put us ahead of the game.

What this is is another major shift in thinking. Just like ending slavery, equality for women, acknowleging that smoking kills you. etc. If Punt Road End End were 200 years old, we would have had on this board people saying 'I don't accept that blacks are human, my slaves like working for me'. 'Women aren't smart enough to vote, my wife doesn't even want to'. 'Smoking is good for you, it puts a spring in my step' etc, etc.

Its a no brainer. If its free to pollute, Pollution will stuff-up the planet.

If it's such a no-brainer, then let's have a full debate on it and then let the people vote. We live in a democracy and on such a major shift of thinking, the population should get their say.
 
Total Tiger said:
If it's such a no-brainer, then let's have a full debate on it and then let the people vote. We live in a democracy and on such a major shift of thinking, the population should get their say.

They had their say in 2010 and they voted for the ALP who advocated a carbon price, independants who want a carbon price and the liberals who also have a carbon price (half of which less 1 want an ETS). Tony himself preferred a carbon tax in 2009.

If this gets through parliament the will of the people would have been expressed.

You can always vote for Abbott's rollback.
 
lamb22 said:
They had their say in 2010 and they voted for the ALP who advocated a carbon price, independants who want a carbon price and the liberals who also have a carbon price (half of which less 1 want an ETS). Tony himself preferred a carbon tax in 2009.

If this gets through parliament the will of the people would have been expressed.

You can always vote for Abbott's rollback.
Taking the *smile* surely. If it was the will of the people than why do we see such rubbish poll results for the ALP?
 
Panthera tigris FC said:

Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government.


Thomas Jefferson.

Does that mean that if one can convince themselves that the people are not well-informed , one is justified in not trusting the people and then looking to anti-democratic solutions?
 
Giardiasis said:
Taking the p!ss surely. If it was the will of the people than why do we see such rubbish poll results for the ALP?

There's only poll that counts....and it aint one newspoll in march with rounding to whole numbers, 3% margin of error polling a public which has had misinformation thrown at it in the last week.

The essential poll is actually more interesting as it runs weekly polls and displays them on a two week rolling average. Running 53/47 coalition's way ATM. I'd be expecting status quo or slight improvement for ALP over coming weeks and running in ALP's favour after its implemented.
 
mld said:
Does that mean that if one can convince themselves that the people are not well-informed , one is justified in not trusting the people and then looking to anti-democratic solutions?

Gee I didn't know Jefferson was such a cynical master of spin! Good that you've nutted out the true agenda.
 
mld said:
Does that mean that if one can convince themselves that the people are not well-informed , one is justified in not trusting the people and then looking to anti-democratic solutions?

I don't think Jefferson meant that. He also said

“The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive.”
 
mld said:
Does that mean that if one can convince themselves that the people are not well-informed , one is justified in not trusting the people and then looking to anti-democratic solutions?

Jefferson was very big on the importance of education for a functioning democracy.
 
lamb22 said:
The essential poll is actually more interesting as it runs weekly polls and displays them on a two week rolling average. Running 53/47 coalition's way ATM. I'd be expecting status quo or slight improvement for ALP over coming weeks and running in ALP's favour after its implemented.
Any particular reason why?
 
Azza said:
I don't think Jefferson meant that.

I have absolutely no doubt that he didn’t mean that.

Panthera tigris FC said:
Jefferson was very big on the importance of education for a functioning democracy.

If one were inclined, I’m sure one could convince oneself that people could be well-educated but ill-informed.
 
mld said:
Does that mean that if one can convince themselves that the people are not well-informed , one is justified in not trusting the people and then looking to anti-democratic solutions?
like deception just prior to an election, for example .
 
Panthera tigris FC said:
Jefferson was very big on the importance of education for a functioning democracy.

he was one of the few truly great politicians