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Global Warming
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Tiger74 said:
Tiger, your 'vibe' comment is just another condescending smart alec cheap shot - how hypocritical are you people?.
Re above, if you quote those para's as being the justification for whatever it is you are trying to say, i think you have actually lost your way and forgotten the point you were trying to make - if there is one.
As far as personal abuse of Panhtheri, abuse that is so bad you cannot 'touch' lol - would that be that her posts can be arrogant? ouch . Or, you mean 'her self-graded higher intellect? ouch. I am not even sure that quote makes sense, let alone be abusive. Abuse? I don't think so.
Is strongly intimating that my posts are 'bullsh1t' any better or worse, I don't think so..but you agree with her, so...
People are not going to conform to your group think on this issue, as frustrating as this may be for you, so get used to it.
I like these ;
Much of what passes as idealism is disguised hatred or disguised love of power.
The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNMVMNmrqJE
actually before you label my opinion, you may actually want to know it
I have avoided commenting on the science of this issue because its over my head - not my field of expertise
as for the personal abuse, I left that alone because P is ugly enough to take you on himself. Personally would prefer you make your point without ridiculing others though
I have avoided commenting on the science of this issue because its over my head - not my field of expertise
as for the personal abuse, I left that alone because P is ugly enough to take you on himself. Personally would prefer you make your point without ridiculing others though
Merveille said:
What's with the referring to Panthera as "she"? He has chosen to indicate in his profile that he's male. Also has Panthera claimed he has a "higher intellect" or is it your judgement that scientists are superior in that regard? As far as I can see you asked him his profession, a far cry from ramming it down our throats.
How about we all stick to the discussion, no matter what our opinions, and leave the personal stuff out of it.
...... feel like I’m tip toeing onto a killing field here... I come in peace bearing boiled lollies and letters from home for all .....
Subscribing to the view that we are merely traveling through a warmer period in the global temperature cycles with or without human consent or influence, have any scientists (mad or otherwise) actually identified the possible duration and likely outcomes of this current period?
I mean, can we expect to circumnavigate the north pole with visible ice contact still guaranteed for say the next 20 years or so, after which time we’d just be pointless sailing round the top of the world in silly circles?
Glantone
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Subscribing to the view that we are merely traveling through a warmer period in the global temperature cycles with or without human consent or influence, have any scientists (mad or otherwise) actually identified the possible duration and likely outcomes of this current period?
I mean, can we expect to circumnavigate the north pole with visible ice contact still guaranteed for say the next 20 years or so, after which time we’d just be pointless sailing round the top of the world in silly circles?
Glantone
Contiki Tours
rosy23 said:
The problem is Rosy, the discussion involves considerable scientific expertise.
Nearly everyone on PRE is deficient in this area.
Hence, the discussion becomes political - an area we mostly feel comfortable with. - because we can promote our allegiances.
I have no political allegiance or scientific knowledge.
So (I suspect like most people), I'm waiting for the ETS and Global Warming issues to be explained to me in a rational non-political language.
rosy23 said:
.... that's heartbreakingly beautiful but geez… Rosy, it’s hard enough facing a monday morning at the best of times, netherlone throwing that out in cyber space for all to contemplate. :'(
.... thank god the sun's shining and it's a beautiful day!!!
If only I could see some trees from here...rosy23 said:
Rosy, they are fair questions and I’ll address them, with respect;
Firstly, if P was offended by me referring to him as a her, I apologise. However by apologising I now risk offending many females. I had not read his profile so did not know what sex he was. I may be a few things, but I am not sexist. It would be an honour to be referred to as a ‘her.’
And no, P hasn’t claimed he has a higher intellect – only a buffoon would - though he did make it clear that because of his work he has a very well honed BS detector – strongly intimating my posts are BS, as is my opinion therefore. Not much respect shown there.
As far as ramming it down people’s throats, I do not know the man, yet I picked his profession after a small number of posts, not just by the way his posts were written, but by the way he would, not necessarily intentionally, make me feel like I was back at school.
I put it to him that he may be a teacher of science, and he said he was. I don’t have an issue with that, being an ex-school teacher myself. He has expertise in his field, that’s fine. But I have made the point earlier, he is debating on here with people who are very concerned about what is going on and are equally passionate, but do not have the scientific rhetoric i.e verbal artillery, that he is able to put out there, so he should be respectful of that, rather than exploit it - in my opinion.
the quote - The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it.
This is relevant to the topic. However I agree that ‘always’ is possibly too strong a word. Why relevant?
A climate Treaty – the details of which have not been well publicised, if at all - has been drafted for Copenhagen whereby if agreed to, Rudd and Australia will sign off billions of dollars of our money – a year – to the control of a group of unelected officials of the UN, for dissemination amongst developing countries (including China!) to fight the effects of climate change, and goodness knows what else.
We did not elect these people, the Australian people do not fully understand what is going on here, and this is my money, and yours. This is a form of global governance, with the purse strings to match. 0.7 % of GDP per year (7 billion Australia) of developed countries going to the UN, to deal with climate change. Money and power. They will have the power to sanction countries strongly that do meet their payments, or fall short on other measures.
I think that is very relevant to the topic of global warming..
In saying all that, I will bury the hatchet! Panthera and tiger apologies for any offence, we are poles apart in what we believe at the moment, but that happens.
See you at the footy.
Merveille said:
I just wanted to address this point that you have made a few times now.
You completely ignore the context of my statement about the BS detector. If you recall, I was explaining why I had asked you to provide references for your assertions. One of the 'tools' of the BS detector is to remain skeptical in the face of blind assertion, especially when those assertions contradict data that you are aware of. I honestly didn't think you were speaking BS, I just wanted to know the source of the information so that I could verify it for myself! This was something that you were loathe to do, apparently deeply offended by and precipitated the current flurry of posts. To then cry "disrespect!" seems a poor response that completely misrepresents my position.
You asked us to "stick to the discussion".rosy23 said:Understand what you're saying poppa but not sure of the relevance to my post you quoted.
I was pointing out how the discussion is too scientifically difficult for most of us, resulting in it diverting into politically based arguments.
I think ??? ???
When did people become disconnected from the environment.
We are part of the environment.
The environment has and will fix up anything we can throw at it.
Half of us may die in the process, along with half of everything else, and that may be the only solution. All i know is that if India, China and the US dont pull there weight, Australia could shut down entirely and it would make a skank of difference.
We are part of the environment.
The environment has and will fix up anything we can throw at it.
Half of us may die in the process, along with half of everything else, and that may be the only solution. All i know is that if India, China and the US dont pull there weight, Australia could shut down entirely and it would make a skank of difference.
Merveille said:
I enjoy reading the RR&P thread and have never posted here but have great respect for many of the posters that do - particularly Panthera.
Your posting, particulalry the stuff above, shows a complete lack of sincerity and doesn't deserve respect. You probably should refrain from posting lest you show yourself to be the "buffoon", to use one of your well chosen words.
