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Global Warming

I love the irony that you usually jump all over anyone that has a view not endorsed by the establishment, yet on possibly the most crucial and well researched of all issues you spurn the view held by the establishment yourself. So curious, and very amusing.
 
Disco08 said:
I love the irony that you usually jump all over anyone that has a view not endorsed by the establishment, yet on possibly the most crucial and well researched of all issues you spurn the view held by the establishment yourself. So curious, and very amusing.

I jump down on idiots, Disco....simple as that.
It has nothing to do with going with the majority, or the minority.
In fact, if I followed the "majority", the "Racial Tolerance" thread would have only lasted 2 pages.... :hihi
 
livers i read sometime ago a saying which said"if you want to make a difference in this world you soon learn not to follow the herd"
 
barty boy said:
livers i read sometime ago a saying which said"if you want to make a difference in this world you soon learn not to follow the herd"

Smart man that, Bart Boy.

I guess at times though, we all side with the minority about something.

Here it's the reasons for global-warming, I seem to be in the minority.....Dicso has it on the Ivan Milat thread...jayfox has it on the religion thread.
 
barty boy said:
Arent us Aussies famous for championing the underdog.

I remember when Australia played Australia A in the one day cricket and the usual Australian team got booed roundly. That was weird.
 
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-climate13oct13,0,5636393.story?coll=la-home-center
 
Liverpool said:
I have no problem people showing Gore's film in schools.....as long as they show a film/documentary from the other side of the argument.

Then the kids can make up their own minds, or start researching more themsleves, instead of just getting told one view, and that's it....most kids would just accept that then.
By showing two sides of the story, it would encourage kids be more proactive about making their own minds up.
i`ve heard there`s one called "the great global warming myth".

i came across this write up about al gore`s movie,seems he`s not very truthful with some of his information.


1: Gore claims that a survey of 928 scientific articles on global warming showed not one disputed that man's gasses were mostly to blame for rising global temperatures. Only dumb journalists and bad scientists in the pay of Big Oil pretended there was any genuine debate.

In fact, as Dr Benny Peiser, from Liverpool John Moores University has demonstrated, Gore relies on a bungled survey reported in Science.

Peiser checked again and found just 13 of those 928 papers explicitly endorsed man-made global warming, and 34 rejected or doubted it. The debate is real.

2: Gore says the man who first made him realise we were heating up the earth was his late professor, oceanographer Roger Revelle, who noticed carbon dioxide levels were increasing.

In fact, Revelle shortly before his death co-authored a paper warning that "the scientific basis for a greenhouse warming is too uncertain to justify drastic action at this time". And some warming might even be good, he added.

3: Gore says ice cores from Antarctica, that go back 650,000 years, show the world got warmer each time there was more carbon dioxide in the air.

In fact, as the University of California's Professor Jeff Severinghaus and others note, at least three studies of ice cores show the earth first warmed and only then came more carbon dioxide, many hundreds of years later. So does extra carbon dioxide cause a warming world, or vice versa? 4: Gore shows a series of slides of vanishing lakes (like Lake Chad) and snow fields (like Mt Kilimanjaro's) and blames global warming for it all.

In fact, Lake Chad is so shallow it nearly dried out as far back as 1908, and again in 1984. So many more people depend on it now that the water pumped out for irrigation has quadrupled in 25 years. No wonder it's drying.

And Mt Kilimanjaro was losing its snows more than a century ago, not because of global warming, but -- says a 2004 study in Nature -- largely because deforestation has cut the moisture in the air.

And that worrying picture Gore shows of vanishing glaciers in the Himalayas? Newcastle University researchers last month said some glaciers there are now getting bigger again.

5: Gore shows scary maps of how New York and Shanghai would drown under 20 feet (600cm) of water if all Greenland's ice melted.

In fact, various studies say Greenland's snow cover -- and Antarctica's -- is increasing or stable. The scientists of even the fiercely pro-warming Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change predict seas will rise (as they have for centuries) not by Gore's 600cm by 2100, but by between 14 and 43cm.
6: Gore claims the seas have already risen so high that New Zealand has had to take in refugees from drowning Pacific islands.

In fact, the Australian National Tidal Facility at Tuvalu in 2002 reported: "The historical record from 1978 through 199 indicated a sea level rise of 0.07 mm per year." Or the width of a hair.

Says Auckland University climate scientist Chris de Frietas: "I can assure Mr Gore that no one from the South Pacific islands has fled to New Zealand because of rising seas."

7: Gore claims global warming has helped cause coral reefs "all around the world" to bleach.

In fact, new research from the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration shows the seas rapidly cooled from 2003 to 2005. And most bleaching is caused by El Nino events.
8: Gore claims hurricanes are getting worse because of global warming, and he shows pictures from Hurricane Katrina.

In fact, America has this year had fewer hurricanes than usual. And most hurricane experts agree with Dr Chris Landsea of the US National Hurricane Centre, who says "there has been no change in the number and intensity of (the strongest) hurricanes around the world in the last 15 years".

9: Gore claims warming is causing new diseases and allowing malarial mosquitoes to move to higher altitudes.

In fact, says Professor Paul Reiter, head of the Pasteur Institute's unit of insects and infectious diseases: "Gore is completely wrong here." Reiter says "the new altitudes of malaria are lower than those recorded 100 years ago" and "none of the 30 so-called new diseases Gore references are attributable to global warming".
10: Gore never even hints at other possible explanations scientists have given for the warming globe.

And here's just one: increased solar activity. That's a theory suggested by leading American scientists such as Sallie Baliunas, Willie Soon, Fred Singer and Frederick Seitz, past president of the National Academy of Sciences.

Some even predict we're about to suffer a new bout of global cooling. Says Professor Bill Gray, world hurricane authority from Colorado State University: "My belief is that three, four years from now, the globe will start to cool again."

Or as Khabibullo Abdusamatov, head of the Russian of Sciences astronomical observatory, warned last week: "On the basis of our (solar emission) research, we developed a scenario of a global cooling of the Earth's climate by the middle of this century."
 
Well its a draw guys....... .A thousand scientists say it is happening and ten say it isnt......lol
 
mopsy fraser said:
1: Gore claims that a survey of 928 scientific articles on global warming showed not one disputed that man's gasses were mostly to blame for rising global temperatures. Only dumb journalists and bad scientists in the pay of Big Oil pretended there was any genuine debate.

In fact, as Dr Benny Peiser, from Liverpool John Moores University has demonstrated, Gore relies on a bungled survey reported in Science.

Peiser checked again and found just 13 of those 928 papers explicitly endorsed man-made global warming, and 34 rejected or doubted it. The debate is real.

We read 928 abstracts published in scientific journals between 1993 and 2003 and listed in the database with the keywords "global climate change." Seventy-five percent of the papers either explicitly or implicitly accepted the consensus view. The remaining 25 percent dealt with other facets of the subject, taking no position on whether current climate change is caused by human activity. None of the papers disagreed with the consensus position.

Washington Post 2004.

Someone's not telling the truth.
 
The thread consists of about 20 people's views with a maximum of about 6 regular contributors, not exactly a defining cross section of society Livers.

The 2006 census identified that 64% of Australians call themselves Christian.
 
Disco08 said:
The thread consists of about 20 people's views with a maximum of about 6 regular contributors, not exactly a defining cross section of society Livers.


I didn't say it was Disco...I said this:

Here it's the reasons for global-warming, I seem to be in the minority.....Dicso has it on the Ivan Milat thread...jayfox has it on the religion thread.

I was only talking about minority/majority on this forum.

Disco08 said:
The 2006 census identified that 64% of Australians call themselves Christian.

Agree 100% with your stats.
It'd be also interesting to see how many of that 64% go to church once a week, and how many don't too.
 
I'd say the number that don't would be exactly the remainder of those that do.

Sorry, I didn't pick up on your minority meaning, I thought you were talking about actual minorities.
 
mopsy fraser said:
Liverpool said:
I have no problem people showing Gore's film in schools.....as long as they show a film/documentary from the other side of the argument.

Then the kids can make up their own minds, or start researching more themsleves, instead of just getting told one view, and that's it....most kids would just accept that then.
By showing two sides of the story, it would encourage kids be more proactive about making their own minds up.
i`ve heard there`s one called "the great global warming myth".

i came across this write up about al gore`s movie,seems he`s not very truthful with some of his information.


1: Gore claims that a survey of 928 scientific articles on global warming showed not one disputed that man's gasses were mostly to blame for rising global temperatures. Only dumb journalists and bad scientists in the pay of Big Oil pretended there was any genuine debate.

In fact, as Dr Benny Peiser, from Liverpool John Moores University has demonstrated, Gore relies on a bungled survey reported in Science.

Peiser checked again and found just 13 of those 928 papers explicitly endorsed man-made global warming, and 34 rejected or doubted it. The debate is real.

2: Gore says the man who first made him realise we were heating up the earth was his late professor, oceanographer Roger Revelle, who noticed carbon dioxide levels were increasing.

In fact, Revelle shortly before his death co-authored a paper warning that "the scientific basis for a greenhouse warming is too uncertain to justify drastic action at this time". And some warming might even be good, he added.

3: Gore says ice cores from Antarctica, that go back 650,000 years, show the world got warmer each time there was more carbon dioxide in the air.

In fact, as the University of California's Professor Jeff Severinghaus and others note, at least three studies of ice cores show the earth first warmed and only then came more carbon dioxide, many hundreds of years later. So does extra carbon dioxide cause a warming world, or vice versa? 4: Gore shows a series of slides of vanishing lakes (like Lake Chad) and snow fields (like Mt Kilimanjaro's) and blames global warming for it all.

In fact, Lake Chad is so shallow it nearly dried out as far back as 1908, and again in 1984. So many more people depend on it now that the water pumped out for irrigation has quadrupled in 25 years. No wonder it's drying.

And Mt Kilimanjaro was losing its snows more than a century ago, not because of global warming, but -- says a 2004 study in Nature -- largely because deforestation has cut the moisture in the air.

And that worrying picture Gore shows of vanishing glaciers in the Himalayas? Newcastle University researchers last month said some glaciers there are now getting bigger again.

5: Gore shows scary maps of how New York and Shanghai would drown under 20 feet (600cm) of water if all Greenland's ice melted.

In fact, various studies say Greenland's snow cover -- and Antarctica's -- is increasing or stable. The scientists of even the fiercely pro-warming Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change predict seas will rise (as they have for centuries) not by Gore's 600cm by 2100, but by between 14 and 43cm.
6: Gore claims the seas have already risen so high that New Zealand has had to take in refugees from drowning Pacific islands.

In fact, the Australian National Tidal Facility at Tuvalu in 2002 reported: "The historical record from 1978 through 199 indicated a sea level rise of 0.07 mm per year." Or the width of a hair.

Says Auckland University climate scientist Chris de Frietas: "I can assure Mr Gore that no one from the South Pacific islands has fled to New Zealand because of rising seas."

7: Gore claims global warming has helped cause coral reefs "all around the world" to bleach.

In fact, new research from the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration shows the seas rapidly cooled from 2003 to 2005. And most bleaching is caused by El Nino events.
8: Gore claims hurricanes are getting worse because of global warming, and he shows pictures from Hurricane Katrina.

In fact, America has this year had fewer hurricanes than usual. And most hurricane experts agree with Dr Chris Landsea of the US National Hurricane Centre, who says "there has been no change in the number and intensity of (the strongest) hurricanes around the world in the last 15 years".

9: Gore claims warming is causing new diseases and allowing malarial mosquitoes to move to higher altitudes.

In fact, says Professor Paul Reiter, head of the Pasteur Institute's unit of insects and infectious diseases: "Gore is completely wrong here." Reiter says "the new altitudes of malaria are lower than those recorded 100 years ago" and "none of the 30 so-called new diseases Gore references are attributable to global warming".
10: Gore never even hints at other possible explanations scientists have given for the warming globe.

And here's just one: increased solar activity. That's a theory suggested by leading American scientists such as Sallie Baliunas, Willie Soon, Fred Singer and Frederick Seitz, past president of the National Academy of Sciences.

Some even predict we're about to suffer a new bout of global cooling. Says Professor Bill Gray, world hurricane authority from Colorado State University: "My belief is that three, four years from now, the globe will start to cool again."

Or as Khabibullo Abdusamatov, head of the Russian of Sciences astronomical observatory, warned last week: "On the basis of our (solar emission) research, we developed a scenario of a global cooling of the Earth's climate by the middle of this century."
what an innings by mopsy, .........he was more than just a batsmen, he was half the bloody side. :hihi
 
barty boy said:
livers i read sometime ago a saying which said"if you want to make a difference in this world you soon learn not to follow the herd"
great post barty boy...how apt for this thread
 
lol Tone, it's only apt if the majority over the world's best scientists in these areas are wrong. Can I interest you in creationism?
 
Disco08 said:
lol Tone, it's only apt if the majority over the world's best scientists in these areas are wrong. Can I interest you in creationism?
:hihi :hihi nor the religous thread dico?opps fruedian slip :hihi :hihi :hihi