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Global Warming

Crazy world we live in, I always thought that economic growth was meant to lead to higher standards of living, obviously clean air and clean water isn't part of that equation. Welcome to the age of stupidity.
 
Tigers of Old said:
China running out of face masks to deal with smog.

Beijing's official reading for PM 2.5 - small airborne particles which easily penetrate the lungs and have been linked to hundreds of thousands of premature deaths - stood at 501 micrograms per cubic metre on Wednesday afternoon.

The World Health Organisation's recommended safe limit is 25.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-27/chinas-continued-smog-hazard-forces-face-masks-out-of-stock/5286888

when i saw the news i thought it was a story about Morwell.

as an aside, i wonder how the review on the effects of wind farms is going....
 
Three quotes from the most recent general meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (publishers of the journal Science)

We have a really good record for Antarctic ice cores [of CO2] That record goes back 800,000 years. We have never in that record seen CO2 concentrations within 100ppm of current levels.

Over the last 25 million years there may have been as many as 3 times when atmospheric CO2 was as high as current levels, which is about 400ppm

We have had a step-change in the Arctic. It's now commonly referred to as "the new normal". We've lost roughly 75% of muti-year ice, so we're in a situation where we have thin ice and of that 50% of the surface area is gone
 
STRAYA!

"Australia is one of two countries that have 'backslid' and started to reverse climate legislation"

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/feb/27/report-progress-climate-change-laws

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Report hails international progress on climate change laws

Study shows 64 out of 66 countries had put in place or were establishing significant climate or energy legislation in 2013

Almost 500 laws to tackle climate change have been passed in countries which account for nine-tenths of global emissions, a study has found.

Much of the action in the past year has been taken in emerging economies, including China and Mexico, while "flagship legislation" has been passed in eight countries, most of them developing nations such as Bolivia, El Salvador and Mozambique.

A further 19 countries are considered to have made progress in 2013 on climate laws in the latest Global Legislators Organisation (Globe) study, although two countries - Japan and Australia - have "backslid" and started to reverse climate legislation.

The fourth annual Globe study, co-authored by the Grantham Research Institute at the London School of Economics, covers 66 countries, up from 33 in the last report, accounting for 88% of the world's emissions.

It found that 64 out of 66 countries had put into place or were establishing significant climate or energy legislation.

Whether the legislation has been inspired by the need to tackle climate change or energy efficiency, energy security or competitiveness, the laws are achieving the same end - better security of energy supplies, more efficient use of resources and cleaner, lower carbon growth, the report said.

National legislation does not yet add up to enough action to meet the goal of limiting temperature rises to no more than 2C to avoid dangerous climate change, but it is needed to form a basis for a global climate treaty which it is hoped can be negotiated by the end of 2015, Globe said.

Previous attempts to agree a binding global deal on tackling climate change failed in Copenhagen in 2009.

Globe said there was an urgent need for countries which have not passed legislation to tackle climate change to do so.

The organisation's president, Lord Deben, who is also the chairman of the UK's Committee on Climate Change which advises the government on the issue, said: "It is by implementing national legislation and regulations that the political conditions for a global agreement in 2015 will be created.

"We must see more countries develop their own national climate change laws so that when governments sit down in 2015 they will do so in very different political conditions to when they did in Copenhagen."

Baroness Worthington, Globe vice-president, said: "Overall it's been an encouraging period. On the international discussions side of things, there hasn't been a huge amount of progress, but the study shows that on the national level people are making progress."

In the US, one of the world's biggest polluters, Congress has not passed significant national climate change legislation, but Baroness Worthington said it was hoped that as the impacts of global warming got worse, the US would take more and more action at a city, state and federal level.

And she said: "Our study shows there's a growing body of countries taking this seriously."

As a result, clean technology development was set to continue to grow, creating a "lobby on the side of the angels" which opposes those, including in the UK, who fight against action to tackle climate change, she suggested.

Globe is launching a new international initiative, the Partnership for Climate Legislation, to help legislators across the 66 nations develop, advance and implement climate change laws.
 
Interesting comment by one of the founders of Greenpeace to a US senate committee.

http://www.epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=415b9cde-e664-4628-8fb5-ae3951197d03
 
Peaka said:
Interesting comment by one of the founders of Greenpeace to a US senate committee.

http://www.epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=415b9cde-e664-4628-8fb5-ae3951197d03

I note that there are no references for the numbers used in his submission and in his following essay his most commonly sited "sources" are The Telegraph and Wikipedia not to mention a few internet blogs, not really a lot of heady science being done here. As pointed out in the quotes I posted earlier the Antarctic ice cores only give 800,000 years of CO2 data. The older CO2 concentration figures are based on models not direct data, the very models that the author claims are unreliable. I have twice posted an easy to understand video explaining how out of kilter with our cosmological cycle the current CO2 increase is and you did say you'd have a look at it. Did you?
 
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
How many countries are paying a (useless) carbon tax (as opposed to a fuel tax)? GAGF.

The carbon tax has been successful in driving emissions down, the only reason we saw a marginal 1% reduction is due to the industries that had been given exemptions - most of these increased their emissions.

Then there's Abbott's ridiculous 'Direct Action Plan', which is code for dismantling everything that may impede the fossil fuel industry.
 
LeeToRainesToRoach said:
How many countries are paying a (useless) carbon tax (as opposed to a fuel tax)? GAGF.

Carbon tax isn't useless. Unless you think air pollution is not a problem. You can debate the extent of its usefulness, and whether its the best mechanism sure. But to call it useless is a purely ideological view which doesn't stand up to scrutiny. I have no idea what that acronym means. (edit: just googed it, you must feel strongly about whatever your point is. Not being a smart arse, I genuinely don't know, a CT is useless but a fuel tax isn't?)

You think it should remain free to pollute the air L2?
 
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/joe-hockey-warns-clean-energy-and-utterly-offensive-windfarms-are-in-his-budget-crosshairs-20140502-37msv.html

This government has completely lost the plot, to call wind farms hideous but to then advocate the destruction of Tasmanian forests & the Great Barrier Reef is simply inexplicable. Not only will jobs be trashed but it will give the coal industry the green light to tear up the landscape and fuel climate change. When will the madness stop?
 
bullus_hit said:
This government has completely lost the plot, to call wind farms hideous but to then advocate the destruction of Tasmanian forests & the Great Barrier Reef is simply inexplicable. Not only will jobs be trashed but it will give the coal industry the green light to tear up the landscape and fuel climate change. When will the madness stop?

Maybe Joe should go for a drive through Gippsland. He might find the wind turbines very attractive compared to the mutilated landscape and massive, smoke billowing towers there.
 
bullus_hit said:
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/joe-hockey-warns-clean-energy-and-utterly-offensive-windfarms-are-in-his-budget-crosshairs-20140502-37msv.html

This government has completely lost the plot, to call wind farms hideous but to then advocate the destruction of Tasmanian forests & the Great Barrier Reef is simply inexplicable. Not only will jobs be trashed but it will give the coal industry the green light to tear up the landscape and fuel climate change. When will the madness stop?

spot on Bullus. He said he found wind turbines 'offensive'. Coal mines and power station stacks and high voltage towers are pretty apparently. Imagine how the wind industry workers would be feeling? Very disheartening and worrying extremism. Hockey is turning out to be a loose cannon, in addition to being lazy and inept.
 
Very funny video, and a strong message.

http://www.climatecouncil.org.au/what-does-a-statistically-representative-climate-change-debate-look-like
 
tigersnake said:
Very funny video, and a strong message.

http://www.climatecouncil.org.au/what-does-a-statistically-representative-climate-change-debate-look-like
Given the 97% meme is bogus, this somewhat weakens the message.