Global Warming

[Liverpool]

Here is an interesting investigation into the carbon offsetting industry.

Good article mld.

Even all this "Live Earth" concert thing is hypocritical:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/music/fifty-bucks-for-a-beer-it-was-livid-earth-in-sydney/2007/07/08/1183833341702.html

Thousands, deprived of the traditional rock 'n' roll accompaniment, went to a Coca-Cola stand, forgetting that its manufacturers had been under fire in India for allegedly creating water shortages and pollution around their bottling facilities.
In Britain, organisers had to explain Madonna's participation after the US Fox News Network revealed her links to some of the world's biggest polluters. Her Ray of Light Foundation has $US4.2 billion of shares in companies such as the aluminium giant Alcoa, the Ford Motor Company and Weyerhaeuser, a forest products company.
Greenpeace criticised the German leg of the concerts because the carmaker DaimlerChryslerhad been chosen as a sponsor.

Arctic Monkeys shiver at Live Earth 'hypocrisy':
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070705025637.vyh5u7g0&show_article=1

PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals ):
Peta said that selling meat at a concert for the environment would be like selling cigarettes at an anti-cancer fundraiser because of the amount of greenhouse gas emitted by the meat farming industry.
And Peta activists said that Wembley should take meat off the menu after a recent UN report found that the meat industry creates more greenhouse gases than all the cars, trucks, ships and planes in the world combined.

Live Earth is promoting green to save the planet - what planet are they on?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=466775&in_page_id=1879

Global warming concerts: A lot of hot air?
http://money.cnn.com/2007/07/03/news/newsmakers/live_earth/index.htm

But I'm sure someone made some $$$ out of it....it might pay for "Rainbow Warrior 2" and a couple of helicopters.

 

[ssstone]

hypROCK crisey..john butler implored concert goers to vandilize B.H.P owned property,apparently he forgot his steel string guitar uses STEEL STRINGS?? and im sure he walked home to W.A instead of using climate changeing fossil fuels in a steel and aluminum aircraft. :

 

[Tiger74]

it was a waste of time, serious issue with a cr@p way of bringing "awareness" to it :-\

 

[jb03]

Make sure you all tune into Ch 2 Thursday night at 8.30 pm for the Great Global Warming Swindle.

 

[newyorktiger]

it was a waste of time, serious issue with a cr@p way of bringing "awareness" to it :-\

Spinal Tap reformed - it was worth that if nothing else.

 

[mld]

Make sure you all tune into Ch 2 Thursday night at 8.30 pm for the Great Global Warming Swindle.

It is probably worth a watch, but the Australian has published a reasonable rebuttal of the program's key plank of attributing global warming to increased solar activity. From the advertisements the program seems quite sensationalist, I tend to steer clear of sensationalist offerings from both sides.

 

[jb03]

Make sure you all tune into Ch 2 Thursday night at 8.30 pm for the Great Global Warming Swindle.

It is probably worth a watch, but the Australian has published a reasonable rebuttal of the program's key plank of attributing global warming to increased solar activity. From the advertisements the program seems quite sensationalist, I tend to steer clear of sensationalist offerings from both sides.

Then you likely won't be able learn about it all. ;D

 

[t-rob]

The solution is simple.

Turn vegetarian and kill the cows.

Livestock is the greatest single contributor to green house gases and global warming.

Not cars and not industry.

 

[Rosy]

The Great Global Warming Swindle
8:30pm Thursday, 12 Jul 2007
Education PG Website
It's the most contentious issue of our time - climate change.

Tonight, Lateline presenter Tony Jones hosts the screening of the controversial documentary - The Great Global Warming Swindle - written and directed by Martin Durkin.

Immediately following the documentary, Jones will conduct an in-depth interview with Durkin on all the contentious issues raised in the program - including its impact when it premiered in the UK in March on Channel 4; the science on which the documentary is based; the credibility of the scientists interviewed for the film; their satisfaction with the way they were portrayed; and the filmmaker's assertion that capping CO2 emissions would be devastating to developing nations.

The interview will include opinions from eminent scientists from Australia and overseas who oppose and support Durkin's documentary.

Following Durkin's initial interview with Jones, the discussion will be expanded to involve a panel comprising leaders from the business and scientific communities, social commentators, environmentalists and academics. This group will include a number of climate sceptics who support Martin Durkin's view of global warming.

The ABC's comprehensive multi-platform coverage of this contentious documentary will involve ABC TV; the ABC's digital channel ABC 2; ABC NewsRadio; and ABC on-line.

ABC TV and ABC 2 will simulcast The Great Global Warming Swindle and Tony Jones's in-depth interview with Martin Durkin, as well as the discussion with the expert panel and a studio audience from 8.30pm on Thursday, July 12th.

Tony Jones's in-depth interview with Martin Durkin, as well as the discussion with the expert panel and a studio audience, will also be heard on ABC NewsRadio from 9.25pm (Aust. Eastern Standard Time).


Also showing on ABC2
- 8:30pm Saturday, July 14
- 8:30pm Saturday, July 14
- 9:20pm Saturday, July 14

 

[tigersnake]

I saw a preview for it. Yet another goose saying 'its an industry with vested interests to get more research funding'

This argument staggers me. Every scientist doing research has a vested interest in getting more funding for their field. Whether its sudden infant death syndrom or biological warfare. Its the competitive spirit that drives it human progress. Its the very basis of our capitalist society. Do I hear anyone saying 'those bloody pinko cystic fybrosis researchers, just feathering their own nests.' But for some bizzaare reason its a dirty word when the researcher bear news they see as annoying. Absolutely ludicrous.

The key point here is that the issue keeps getting framed as if its 50-50. It isn't. Its 95-5.

Of course this bloke wants to get his doco watched by as many as possible, fair enough. But instead of being called 'the swindle' which it plainly isn't, he should have called it 'there are a few people who think global warming might not be caused by humans'. Not quite as catchy a title though is it?

 

[Freezer]

I saw a preview for it. Yet another goose saying 'its an industry with vested interests to get more research funding'

This argument staggers me. Every scientist doing research has a vested interest in getting more funding for their field. Whether its sudden infant death syndrom or biological warfare. Its the competitive spirit that drives it human progress. Its the very basis of our capitalist society. Do I hear anyone saying 'those bloody pinko cystic fybrosis researchers, just feathering their own nests.' But for some bizzaare reason its a dirty word when the researcher bear news they see as annoying. Absolutely ludicrous.

The show just makes the point that anything linked to global warming attracts extra attention due to the hysteria surrounding it. It makes it easier to get funding if you link your subject of investigation to global warming.

 

[RemoteTiger]

I watched the "Gloal Warming Swindle " documentary last night with an open mind. Then the panel after it again with an open mind.

Came to the conclusion that man's CO2 emissions are contributing to the earth warming - and - that the bald headed gent on the end, CEO of the WWF, ex CEO of BP Australia had the most interesting of all the messages Quote (not verbatim) "Business has gone passed this debate - we recognise the earth is warming - we do not know the gravitation of the results but we do know we have to handle the risks".

Now some (myself included) would say that is what operating a business is all about containing, controlling risk - the greater the risk the bigger the reward a catch cry of the 1980's. However in today's litigious world, business risk mitigation is not only good business practice but also aimed at not being prosecuted for millions of dollars at some later date down the track, thus protecting shareholders funds.

Now if big business (like BP) is taking these steps then it must have some good impact on the CO2 emissions on the planet. Whether you believe those CO2 emissions are the cause of the earth's warming or not - it still has to be good to reduce pollution of the planet earth.

The CEO of the Coal Association said that the coal industry recognises it has a role to play in reducing CO2 emissions from its products through technolgical advancement - again this has to be good for the planet earth.

The third world deserves to use the same energy resources we in the 1st world use - but can we help them via our technology to decrease the CO2 emmissions their use would normally create.

Are we in the 1st world that greedy that we are not prepared to help others in the 3rd world? We are all in habitants of this planet earth.

And on that note - there is not another similar planet close by that we can all jump over too once we have *smile* this one. Pollution will strangle our earth - our one and only human life support system - surely by decreasing dramatically the CO2 emissions is a good place to start in decreasing the overall polution of our earth.

All the indigenous people of each continent have one thing in common - they all had their own version of - "Look after the land and the land will look after you"

Just maybe there is a lesson there for us clever technologically advance people hmmmm!............My opinion only...RT

 

[Rosy]

Geez I'm dopey lately. Despite my best intentions I forgot to watch the program.

 

[Liverpool]

The third world deserves to use the same energy resources we in the 1st world use - but can we help them via our technology to decrease the CO2 emmissions their use would normally create.

I have no problem helping third-world countries, but there has to be something in it for first-world countries also.
We shouldn't be a charity case for the rest of the world's incompetencies.
These third-world countries have to also show that they have some pride and want to do THEIR bit for the environment as well, as I don't see the point of people going in there to help just because we think they 'deserve' it.

All the indigenous people of each continent have one thing in common - they all had their own version of - "Look after the land and the land will look after you"
Just maybe there is a lesson there for us clever technologically advance people hmmmm!............My opinion only...RT

If some of these indigenous people really were hellbent on "looking after the land", why do we constantly see and hear this:

[b]ANNE BARKER[/b]: Like most communities in the Northern Territory Santa Teresa is in fact a 'dry town' where alcohol is already banned.
But almost on a weekly basis usually on pay day groups of men head into Alice Springs 80 kilometres away and bring back takeaway grog to Santa Teresa's boundary, and drink themselves to oblivion.

Just outside the Santa Teresa gates, Mal Brough was shown a huge wasteland of empty cans and bottles almost as far as the eye can see.

MAL BROUGH: Throughout there you can just see all the cans glistening. All the way around, all amongst all the trees. So it's not just on the road, people just drive off in there and have a binge.

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2007/s1971248.htm

I saw it on TV, and a pity I can't find a photo of the absolute disgusting mess that these indigenous people leave their drinking areas (which is anywhere) in.
If people are under the impression that indigenous people show a healthier respect for the land than other non-indigenous people, then they are sorely mistaken. There are just as many litterbugs and a "don't care attitude" from all races.

 

[tigersnake]

I was completely convinced by the program. Lot of very scientific looking men, some with beards and glasses, and with shelves full of very thick books behind them. That’s enough for me.

Seriously though, geez. To anyone who knows a bit about the issues and the scientific research process, the show was unconvincing in the extreme. In short, a joke. But look at all the attention the filmmaker and Channel 4 UK have gotten out of it, there’s some vested interests for ya. Thankfully, the show and the maker were pinged on most gaping shortcomings in the post interview and discussion. I was almost embarrassed for the dissenters on the panel, but then I remembered that the implications of these matters are so important, we have to stop stuffing around with these crackpots. If they come up with some convincing research, fair enough, but its looking less and less likely by the month. Have to say I really enjoyed seeing Duffy rendered a complete hapless joke.

How were some of those fruitcakes asking questions at the end? The green movement is a Nazi conspiracy to create the master race apparently. You didn’t tell us you were heading along Liverpool. Have to say you look different to how I expected

 

[mld]

I think the cultural warriors will regret nailing their colours to this mast with such haste, given it was such a dodgy documentary. They would have been better off waiting for something more credible to base their assault on the ABC with.

The only point raised by the documentary really worth considering is the dominance of the lunatics in the movement, those who would be perfectly happy to see third world countries stay as they are. However, bringing action on global warming into the mainstream will marginalise the influence of those lunatics which can only be a good thing.

Edit: There were some nutters in the audience, weren't there? Those eugenics hijackers were pretty funny, as was the man getting angry about C14.

 

[Mr Pumblechook]

How were some of those fruitcakes asking questions at the end? The green movement is a Nazi conspiracy to create the master race apparently. You didn’t tell us you were heading along Liverpool. Have to say you look different to how I expected

I couldn't believe some of the questions (statements really) coming from the audience. Linking the environmental movement to some cloak and dagger Eugenics movement. Talk about conspiracy theories.

Then there was the guy who proudly said he was studing under Lyndon LaRouche... :

 

[Liverpool]

How were some of those fruitcakes asking questions at the end? The green movement is a Nazi conspiracy to create the master race apparently. You didn’t tell us you were heading along Liverpool. Have to say you look different to how I expected

I couldn't believe some of the questions (statements really) coming from the audience. Linking the environmental movement to some cloak and dagger Eugenics movement. Talk about conspiracy theories.
Then there was the guy who proudly said he was studing under Lyndon LaRouche... :

Tigersnake/Pumblechook,
I have not mentioned this program, have not seem this program, and have no interest in this program....so why you are linking me to it is beyond me.
If the 'experts' in this program mentioned that they don't believe the human race is totally responsible for global warming, and that a large portion of it is 'natural', then I agree with them....apart from that, I couldn't care less.
What I do care about is that I get out of work earlier enough to get up to Mt.Buller tonight....heard it's the best start to the ski-season now for 17 years....so much for your global warming... ;D

 

[Mr Pumblechook]

How were some of those fruitcakes asking questions at the end? The green movement is a Nazi conspiracy to create the master race apparently. You didn’t tell us you were heading along Liverpool. Have to say you look different to how I expected

I couldn't believe some of the questions (statements really) coming from the audience. Linking the environmental movement to some cloak and dagger Eugenics movement. Talk about conspiracy theories.
Then there was the guy who proudly said he was studing under Lyndon LaRouche... :

Tigersnake/Pumblechook,
I have not mentioned this program, have not seem this program, and have no interest in this program....so why you are linking me to it is beyond me.

I didn't mention you.

 

[mld]

The crazed people obsessed with eugenics were members of the Citizens Electoral Council.