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Global Warming

Blue gums are the way most go around here. Unfortunately there are a few pine plantations creeping in too but I'm a bit prejudiced against them. They don't look right.
 
Sizeable pine plantations are a bad idea near any sort of human settlement too.
 
I miss my days at Mitsubishi. We were in the same building as BHP Petroleum at the time, so if we found a greenie protest out the front we had to check if it was us for wood chipping/mining/anything else or them.

Used to be fun, if you were bored you would heckle just to get a reaction before going to get lunch :D
 
Dyer'ere said:
Do we have consensus on the notion that there is Global Warming? Seems so. To be sure, do we concur?

Can we arrest this?

How?

I concur but even if people don't agree it doesn't hurt to modify certain habits just in case.

How? Let's make a PRE list.

Turn lights off when not in use. Buy energy efficient globes (more info would be appreciated if anyone's cluey in that dept.

Use as few plastic bags as possible. It they must be used try and get biodegradable or recycled ones, and recycle them yourself. Don't burn plastics.

Rather than burn paper and cardboard to get rid of it send it to be recycled.

Use energy efficient electrical appliances.

Ride a bike, walk or car pool where possible.

Use recycled dunny paper, printing paper, envelopes etc. Avoid bleached toilet paper and the ones that have pretty dyed prints.

Avoid harsh chemicals when possible

Plant trees.

More?
 
I just bought 20 acres too! we should start a rural handy hints thread duck. over in gen section I suppose
 
tigersnake said:
ssstone said:
in the seventies it was lead petrol that was going to kill us,so lets invest in lead free cars and petrol and guess what?? lead levels continue to rise.in the eighties it was areosol cans that were going to kill us via the hole in the ozone,of course it was the cans making the holes not the numerous amount of space craft and sattielites we were sending thru it.in the nineties it was the rainforests,the lungs of the world we had to save .and now its global warming that is creating time

You can tack on all the little ROFLs you want ssssingle bed. I don't know where you get your info from. Airborne lead is very bad for you, it was phased out of petrol, lead levels in the atmostphere, and in fatty tissue of humans, has plummetted.

Also, the ozone layer was being rapidly depleted by chloro-flouro carbons that were in fridges and earosol cans, they were banned and phased out, the ozone layer is now rapidly re-generating at a rate faster than any scientist ever would have predicted.

Gues what? we can still drive around in cars, spray our deodorant to stop us stinking, and keep our stubbies cold. Incredible.

Two take home messages here:

1. If we take action to fix things once we realise their effects are bad, we can fix it. SSSingle bed has actually brought up two of the best examples.

2. Make sure you verify any information offered by SSSSingle bed.
now my dear ts whilist i dont subscribe to "lefty socialist scientific monthly " the lead levels i was talking about were from an article i read in the aged a cpl of years ago.as for the ozone layer re generating where did you come by that one ? i would be very interested in reading about that .. ps ts global warming is just the "new black" :rofl :rofl
 
Liverpool said:
Disco08 said:
Liverpool said:
And unless I missed something in high-school....doesn't more and more carbon dioxide, produce less warming?

You're kidding right?

Nah, I've read before that more and more carbon dioxide can't absorb as much extra energy, which leads to less and less warmth.

I won't find a link tonight, but I'll see what I can find tomorrow.

As promised, here are a couple of links I found about what I had heard previously about carbon-dioxide.
Not saying they're right, not saying they're wrong.
I think higher carbon-dioxide levels DO plays some role in global warming, but this is intresting all the same, and flies in the face of what I personally thought, that carbon dioxide isn't absorbed as easily by warm water, as it is by cooler water...and that carbon-dioxide was the 'driver' behind this climate change, according to so-called "experts".???

But we also assume carbon dioxide continues to go into the atmosphere at an ever-increasing rate. In other words, the increase from year-to-year isn't constant, but itself is increasing. The effect of increasing the rate of carbon dioxide emissions, coupled with the fact that more and more carbon dioxide produces less and less warming compels our climate projections for the future warming to be pretty much a straight line.

http://www.cato.org/research/articles/michaels-031016.html

Thus, if we double the amount of CO2 by 2100, we will only increase the temperature by about 1°C or so.

http://www.sciencebits.com/CO2orSolar

A review of the research literature concerning the environmental consequences of increased levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide leads to the conclusion that increases during the 20th Century have produced no deleterious effects upon global weather, climate, or temperature. Increased carbon dioxide has, however, markedly increased plant growth rates. Predictions of harmful climatic effects due to future increases in minor greenhouse gases like CO2 are in error and do not conform to current experimental knowledge.

http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p36.htm

The increased levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere predicted for later this century may reduce the damage that future ice storms will cause to commercially important loblolly pine trees, according to a new study.

http://www.terradaily.com/reports/More_Carbon_Dioxide_May_Help_Some_Trees_Weather_Ice_Storms_999.html

He cites a 1995 report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), a panel formed by the World Meteorological Organization and the United Nations Environment Programme in 1988 to assess the risk of human-induced climate change. In the report, the IPCC wrote that some 90 billion tons of carbon as carbon dioxide annually circulate between the earth's ocean and the atmosphere, and another 60 billion tons exchange between the vegetation and the atmosphere.
Compared to man-made sources' emission of about 5 to 6 billion tons per year, the natural sources would then account for more than 95 percent of all atmospheric carbon dioxide, Essenhigh said.
"At 6 billion tons, humans are then responsible for a comparatively small amount - less than 5 percent - of atmospheric carbon dioxide," he said. "And if nature is the source of the rest of the carbon dioxide, then it is difficult to see that man-made carbon dioxide can be driving the rising temperatures. In fact, I don't believe it does."


http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/nowarm.htm

In thus considering the seven greatest temperature transitions of the past half-million years - three glacial terminations and four glacial inceptions - we note that increases and decreases in atmospheric CO2 concentration not only did not precede the changes in air temperature, they followed them, and by hundreds to thousands of years! There were also long periods of time when atmospheric CO2 remained unchanged, while air temperature dropped, as well as times when the air's CO2 content dropped, while air temperature remained unchanged or actually rose. Hence, the climate history of the past half-million years provides absolutely no evidence to suggest that the ongoing rise in the air's CO2 concentration will lead to significant global warming

http://www.co2science.org/scripts/CO2ScienceB2C/about/position/globalwarming.jsp

One word:

Interesting!
 
Freezer said:
ssstone said:
Disco08 said:
ssstone said:
yep in my unlearned opinion disco just as humans have evolved from 5 foot nothins to 6 foot plus as the door frame hieght in any old castle in europe will show you,the world will also evolve ,apparrently we had an ice age once so in my unlearned opinion this tells me that the earth also heated up ?? how did those frisky crocadiles survive ?if the people in this country who waste so much energy trying to put the fear into the unlearned on this topic put the same energy/monies into harvesting rainfall that we waste from catching it on roofs and roads and pissing it off in to port phillip bay then i would be impressed.but that would be doing something constructive wouldnt it :hihi

The world isn't really evolving at all. It follows patterns quite predictably.

You're right that the earth has seen ice ages (ice cores show it has one every 100000 years or so with warmer periods between them lasting 10000 years or so) and must also heat up. The problem is that it's not actually in a heating up phase right now, as the last ice age was about 110000 years ago and the world was at it's warmest about 6000 years ago, as Liverpool pointed out. The point is that all the glaciers that we see melting, lakes drying up, sea levels rising really shouldn't be happening at all.
disco so long as every major city in the world keeps pumping rain water caught on roads and roofs into the sea it will continue to rise it has nothing to do with "GLOBAL " WARMING"

But Sharon, that's cyclical. The rain water feeds into the sea, evaporates into the atmosphere and falls as rain again - no net loss or gain. The pollutants that it carries into the sea are the actual problem in your scenario.
feezer go outside and pour a glass of water on the ground and see what happens,then pour the same amount of water into a vessel that is already 3/4,s full of water already.funnily enuff the level rises
 
tigersnake said:
Its not that you don't want us to panic, none of us do, you don't wan't us to do anything. You see any recognition of the problem and action as panicing. Its not, its recognising a problem and acting.

Tigersnake,

Where did I say not to do anything?
I have agreed with you all along that the earth IS warming....and I will state it one last time for you:

The Earth is warming.

If that is not recognising the world is getting warmer, then I don't know what else to say? :-\

Like i stated.....by all means, ride your bike to work instead of driving your car....throw your glass and paper in your yellow bin...buy 'clean and green' whitegoods, and turn off your lights when not in the room....re-use your laundry water.....plant a tree....go for it!
I've never said for people to stop doing any such things, as they will be good for your health and well-being and make your community look better.

tigersnake said:
And again, we don't have to change our entire lives. Just be smarter how we do things.

I agree, Tigersnake.
No harm in doing things smarter.

But in the "big picture", I think global warming is more of a 'natural' occurrence, rather than a man-made phenomenon......bvut your 'smarter' way of doing things won't harm things, so go for it....knock yourself out.
 
ssstone said:
thanks for the link duck .settling in for a read ;D

No worries sss. I can save you the read though. They all say that the ozone layer is regenerating now that we are pumping less CFC's into the atmosphere.
 
rosy23 said:
Plant a tree livers. It's good for the soul. If you don't think it will help lessen global warming the birds and insects and koalas will still be grateful and future generations might just benefit from that 2 minute effort. If you don't have anywhere to plant a tree I'd be happy to plant one in your honour.

Actually Rosy, in some parts of the world, planting trees WARMS their region.
So everybody running round planting trees won't solve the great global-warming problem, I'm afraid. ;)

However, if you do plant a tree in my honour, call it "Harry", after the wizard of oz who plays for Liverpool. 8)

Thank you.
 
Liverpool said:
Actually Rosy, in some parts of the world, planting trees WARMS their region.
So everybody running round planting trees won't solve the great global-warming problem, I'm afraid. ;)

What's heat got to do with it?
 
rosy23 said:
Liverpool said:
Actually Rosy, in some parts of the world, planting trees WARMS their region.
So everybody running round planting trees won't solve the great global-warming problem, I'm afraid. ;)

What's heat got to do with it?

In some colder climates, LESS trees can cool the region.
Of course, on a global scale, it doesn't, because of the difference in climates across the globe.

I just mentioned about "heat" because the thread is about Global WARMING, thats all. ;)
 
ssstone said:
disco so long as every major city in the world keeps pumping rain water caught on roads and roofs into the sea it will continue to rise it has nothing to do with "GLOBAL " WARMING"

Freezer said:
But Sharon, that's cyclical. The rain water feeds into the sea, evaporates into the atmosphere and falls as rain again - no net loss or gain. The pollutants that it carries into the sea are the actual problem in your scenario.

ssstone said:
feezer go outside and pour a glass of water on the ground and see what happens,then pour the same amount of water into a vessel that is already 3/4,s full of water already.funnily enuff the level rises

I guess the rain falling over the oceans/seas is also filling it up...?! Tell those pesky kids to stop pissing in Port Phillip Bay as well - they're gonna flood the Thames.

Someone better pull the plug under the Pacific - we're all gonna drown.

:duh
 
Freezer said:
ssstone said:
disco so long as every major city in the world keeps pumping rain water caught on roads and roofs into the sea it will continue to rise it has nothing to do with "GLOBAL " WARMING"

Freezer said:
But Sharon, that's cyclical. The rain water feeds into the sea, evaporates into the atmosphere and falls as rain again - no net loss or gain. The pollutants that it carries into the sea are the actual problem in your scenario.

ssstone said:
feezer go outside and pour a glass of water on the ground and see what happens,then pour the same amount of water into a vessel that is already 3/4,s full of water already.funnily enuff the level rises

I guess the rain falling over the oceans/seas is also filling it up...?! Tell those pesky kids to stop pissing in Port Phillip Bay as well - they're gonna flood the Thames.

Someone better pull the plug under the Pacific - we're all gonna drown.

:duh
by all means freeze .be as glib as you want.the theorey has nothing to do with NATURAL rainfall.it has to do with the FACT that we pump megalitres of rain water that 200 years ago would of soaked into the ground,evaporated or made its way into creeks/rivers straight out to sea.