G20 protests/APEC

[Liverpool]

Re: G20 protests

This sounds like an episode of Border Security :

Border Security, I love that show.

Same here mate....top show! :clap

Only problem I have are the weak fines....someone brings some leaves with diseases on them, which could potentially cost the country millions of $$$ in destroying farming and/or native trees and animals.....and the best we do is fine them $100 or something!

Makes me more angry when they lie to customs when asked if they are carrying anything organic, like plants or food.
They just treat the laws and fines here with contempt!

Slap a $5000 fine on them (first offence), and you'll see how quick they understand enough to declare their goods or not bring them in the first place.
Second offence = deportation

Anyway, why are all these people bringing their own food out here anyways?
Being a "multi-cultural" country with every race and religion under the sun here, you'd think we'd have enough of everything, without people smuggling more in their luggage, to bring into this country!?!? ??? :

 

[Henry Williams]

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This sounds like an episode of Border Security :

Border Security, I love that show.

Same here mate....top show! :clap

I should have known..... :

 

[TigerGoneNorth]

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And as we all know the only way to stop violence is with more violence :

What do you think the answer is for people like Mr.Sari then, Hayesy?

:

Can't argue with that!

:

Clean bowled.

So what is your answer Haynesy?

 

[Ready]

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If, for whatever reason, they have to allow dual citizenships....they should have a law where if you commit a crime in this country, then the Australian citizenship can be stripped, and you are then deported to your 'other country'.

Oh right, like that bloke who wound up sleeping on the ice-covered steps of the Australian embassy in Belgrade?

What exactly is wrong with being a dual citizen? Ever thought that maybe it means subscribing to the best aspects of two countries, rather than most of the worst aspects of one?

 

[Chelsea]

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What exactly is wrong with being a dual citizen? Ever thought that maybe it means subscribing to the best aspects of two countries, rather than most of the worst aspects of one?

How can you have TRUE allegiance to two different countries? It's like being married to two different people. As far as I'm concerned, one is a citizen of where one is born. The 'bit of paper' to say that you are a citizen of another country isn't worth the paper that it's printed on. *my opinion*. It's only natural that if one is born, and has lived in their native country for most of their lives, and then say, come here, they don't just 'drop' their feelings for where they were born. That's instilled from birth. This shows during the soccer matches, and cricket matches being played here between Australia and other overseas teams.... and quite often children who are born here, of foreign parents, are following the team of their parents birthplace. Doesn't quite 'gel' with me. I'm all for scrapping dual citizenship.

 

[the golden]

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terrible prostest fine if NO VIOLENCE happens !peaceful protests you get more sympathy :veryupset

 

[Liverpool]

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If, for whatever reason, they have to allow dual citizenships....they should have a law where if you commit a crime in this country, then the Australian citizenship can be stripped, and you are then deported to your 'other country'.

Oh right, like that bloke who wound up sleeping on the ice-covered steps of the Australian embassy in Belgrade?

What exactly is wrong with being a dual citizen? Ever thought that maybe it means subscribing to the best aspects of two countries, rather than most of the worst aspects of one?

Ready,
For someone immigrating to Australia to become an Australia citizen, they take the "Pledge of Commitment" (there are 2 of them actually, one with the word "God" in it, and the other, without the word "God".). It reads as follows:

From this time forward, under God,
I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people,
Whose democratic beliefs I share,
Whose rights and liberties I respect,
And whose laws I will uphold and obey

http://www.citizenship.gov.au/ceremonies/citizenship/pledge.htm

Now, how can you pledge your loyalty to Australia and its people, as well as pledge loyalty to another country and its people?
Sounds like a bit of sitting on the fence, two-bob each way, to me.

Also, a perfect example of people using dual-citizenships as a "free ticket" was shown-up during the recent Israel/Lebanon conflict, where people had come from that region to Australia, got their citizenship, and then gone back over there.

How are these people contributing to our economy?
How are these people contributing or offering anything to Australia, our country, and its people?
They offer absolutely nothing!

But when the sh!t hit the fan over there, they were very quick to squeal, "I'm an Australian citizen, get me out of here!"
And who pays for the rescuing and transport of these "Australians", who couldn't give a damn about us here?
I'll tell you who pays...the Australian citizens here who pay their taxes and contribute to this country, thats who.!
Dual citizenship is a free ticket to people whose heart and life lies outside of this country.

If someone really want to be an Australian citizen, because they love this country and want to make their life here, and they think their future is here....then they should be more than happy to give-up their other country's citizenship.

Dual citizenships?
What a joke!

 

[Curtiger]

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If, for whatever reason, they have to allow dual citizenships....they should have a law where if you commit a crime in this country, then the Australian citizenship can be stripped, and you are then deported to your 'other country'.

Oh right, like that bloke who wound up sleeping on the ice-covered steps of the Australian embassy in Belgrade?

What exactly is wrong with being a dual citizen? Ever thought that maybe it means subscribing to the best aspects of two countries, rather than most of the worst aspects of one?

Ready,
For someone immigrating to Australia to become an Australia citizen, they take the "Pledge of Commitment" (there are 2 of them actually, one with the word "God" in it, and the other, without the word "God".). It reads as follows:

From this time forward, under God,
I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people,
Whose democratic beliefs I share,
Whose rights and liberties I respect,
And whose laws I will uphold and obey

http://www.citizenship.gov.au/ceremonies/citizenship/pledge.htm

Now, how can you pledge your loyalty to Australia and its people, as well as pledge loyalty to another country and its people?
Sounds like a bit of sitting on the fence, two-bob each way, to me.

Also, a perfect example of people using dual-citizenships as a "free ticket" was shown-up during the recent Israel/Lebanon conflict, where people had come from that region to Australia, got their citizenship, and then gone back over there.

How are these people contributing to our economy?
How are these people contributing or offering anything to Australia, our country, and its people?
They offer absolutely nothing!

But when the sh!t hit the fan over there, they were very quick to squeal, "I'm an Australian citizen, get me out of here!"
And who pays for the rescuing and transport of these "Australians", who couldn't give a damn about us here?
I'll tell you who pays...the Australian citizens here who pay their taxes and contribute to this country, thats who.!
Dual citizenship is a free ticket to people whose heart and life lies outside of this country.

If someone really want to be an Australian citizen, because they love this country and want to make their life here, and they think their future is here....then they should be more than happy to give-up their other country's citizenship.

Dual citizenships?
What a joke!

You're right, Puddles. It's a crying shame that people continue to exist by virtue of their dual citizenship while our economy suffers. If they are to be true acquiescent Australian citizens, they need to uphold and obey the laws of this country, like you and me. They should so swear under our God, seeing as he is our arbiter.

 

[Dyer'ere]

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So, Puddles, are you saying that Australian citizens shouldn't hold British passports?

 

[Ready]

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Someone I know has been here since 1970 and never taken out Australian citizenship but has still been "contributing to our economy" most of this time. I suppose this is allowed and accepted under the Liverpool Doctrine? Being of course, that there are foreigners, and then there are foreigners, and we know all about those dastardly types in the second category.

 

[Liverpool]

Re: G20 protests

So, Puddles, are you saying that Australian citizens shouldn't hold British passports?

That's exactly what I'm saying.
You're either an Aussie or a Pom....how can you be both?
How can you pledge your loyalty to this country and its people, and then pledge a similar loyalty to another country and its people?
To me, it makes a mockery of the word "loyalty" and its meaning.

Someone I know has been here since 1970 and never taken out Australian citizenship but has still been "contributing to our economy" most of this time. I suppose this is allowed and accepted under the Liverpool Doctrine? Being of course, that there are foreigners, and then there are foreigners, and we know all about those dastardly types in the second category.

The someone you know who has been here, enjoying our country and finding it good enough to reside in for 36 years....why have they NOT become an Australian citizen by now? what is stopping them?
If a war started here tomorrow....this person would be quick to use their "other country's" citizenship to bail out and leave it to us.
We're good enough while the sun shines, but people like the one you know are 'fair weather supporters'....and show no heart or loyalty to this country and its people when/if the *smile* hits the fan here.
If they love this country that much, they'd be down there reading out the pledge of commitment, getting their Aussie passport, and having a bonfire-ceremony to burn their "other country" passport, as they wouldn't need it, right?
Now THAT is the "Liverpool Doctrine"! 8)

 

[jb03]

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I think Ready is an Aussie that supports the Poms!!

 

[Ready]

Re: G20 protests

... not to mention being an Englishman living in Australia.

 

[Legends of 2017]

Re: G20 protests

In todays HUN.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21139026-661,00.html

Police G20 riot probeMark Buttler, chief police reporter

January 30, 2007 12:00am
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POLICE are furious that officers who faced off against violent protesters at the G20 riots will be investigated.

A probe has been launched after the Office of Police Integrity was called in by a legal centre to examine police conduct during the city mayhem.

Federation of Community Legal Centres lawyers are believed to have lodged complaints, including improper use of batons against protesters.

The OPI has asked that Victoria Police ethical standards detectives investigate.

Police command said last night the allegations would be taken seriously.

A police taskforce set up after November's summit of the Group of 20 nations has so far charged 29 protesters with serious offences, including riot and affray.

Detectives are believed to be looking for dozens of others involved in the chaos, which left four officers and two protesters in hospital.

One officer's wrist was broken and water-filled barriers were allegedly used as weapons against police, who say they were bitten, punched and kicked.

They also say they were pelted with bottles and balloons filled with urine by masked protesters.

Police Association secretary Paul Mullett said the G20 officers should not be investigated.

"Our members were treated appallingly," Sen-Sgt Mullett said. "It was our members who were violated and abused.

"They (protesters) were there for one purpose -- to cause disruption."

Fitzroy Legal Service's acting executive officer, Anthony Kelly, said protesters and members of a Federation of Community Legal Centres human rights observer team were among witnesses.

The observer team is still compiling its report on police behaviour, which will be based on first-hand accounts, photographs and video footage.

A preliminary report, released last month, raised concerns about claims of:

POLICE use of "deliberate and dangerous" overhead baton strikes.

THE failure to issue warnings to protesters before the use of force, baton charges, and horse manoeuvres.

THE "arbitrary arrest and detention" of a man not involved in the protests.

The report also notes some groups and individuals showed great aggression and deliberately provoked police.

This included verbal abuse, property damage, throwing missiles and physical assault.
Mr Kelly said he couldn't comment on specifics of the complaint.

"It's in the very early stages of investigation at the moment," he said.

A former top riot officer said he hoped no police careers would suffer.

Jeff Mawkes, a former inspector who spent 19 years in the force response unit, said it was bizarre that police, who seemed to have come off second-best at G20, were now the target.

"We lose and we've still got to cop a writ," Mr Mawkes said.

"I don't understand what they're complaining about. What do you do? Let them (protesters) run amok?"

Mr Mawkes, who retired last year, said there were still 53 writs outstanding against him over police tactics at the violent World Economic Forum demonstrations of 2000.

He said internal disciplinary charges relating to excessive force allegations hung over his head for seven years after the Richmond Secondary College protest of 1993.

Victoria Police said in a statement it took all allegations seriously and any police conduct matters would be thoroughly investigated by ESD, overseen by the OPI.

"Victoria Police remains disappointed at the behaviour of a number of protesters at the G20 summit, which saw several officers injured.

"Some endured bite marks and had broken glass and balloons filled with urine thrown at them," it said.

An OPI spokesman said the ESD investigation's results would be given to its director, George Brouwer, to decide if further action was needed.

But the spokesman said the few complaints received by the OPI indicated police had acted professionally at G20.


I wonder if the Fitzroy Legal Service helped the police out by handing over footage of the rioters when they were breaking the law?

 

[Liverpool]

Re: G20 protests

I'm not surprised.

And as we saw with the Aboriginal "protest in the park".....this will drag on to give these idiots the notoriety they crave.
It's time Bracks and Nixon showed some initiative, and killed this off before it begins.

The G20 protesters deliberately came to the city to cause trouble, not the police, who are employed by the Government to protect the public, the community, and their possessions, from such hooligans.

If any G20 protesters got injured in this melee, then the only people they have to blame, are themselves.

This case should be given the contempt it deserves.

 

[mb64]

Re: G20 protests

I'm not surprised.

And as we saw with the Aboriginal "protest in the park".....this will drag on to give these idiots the notoriety they crave.
It's time Bracks and Nixon showed some initiative, and killed this off before it begins.

The G20 protesters deliberately came to the city to cause trouble, not the police, who are employed by the Government to protect the public, the community, and their possessions, from such hooligans.

If any G20 protesters got injured in this melee, then the only people they have to blame, are themselves.

This case should be given the contempt it deserves.

Spot on Liverpool,its a disgrace they are investigating the police in respect to the way they handled these ratbags.

 

[jb03]

Re: G20 protests

You sure this isn't another stunt by the Chaser team?

 

[lefty]

Re: G20 protests

But the cops need to be accountable. if they haven't done anything wrong, then they have nothing to worry about.

 

[poppa x]

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Having seen some of the vision I thought the police were unbelievably restrained and the only people with a case to answer are the loony tunes throwing things at the police and their horses.

Now that some of the loonies have been identified, why doesn't the Police Association fight back and sue them? Use the same legal tactics the Fitzroy Legal Service uses to harrass innocent coppers. Keep the b*stards in a legal stoush for years. Fight fire with fire.
Bankrupt the pr*cks.

 

[lefty]

Re: G20 protests

Having seen some of the vision I thought the police were unbelievably restrained and the only people with a case to answer are the loony tunes throwing things at the police and their horses.

Now that some of the loonies have been identified, why doesn't the Police Association fight back and sue them? Use the same legal tactics the Fitzroy Legal Service uses to harrass innocent coppers. Keep the b*stards in a legal stoush for years. Fight fire with fire.
Bankrupt the pr*cks.

Like i said, if they haven't done anything wrong, then they have nothing to worry about. The legal system provides the checks and balances.