Spot on…everywhere you turn there is one…price of success…they hate us…they will hate us more in 3 to 4 years when we’re back
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Footy media , love’m or hate’ m ?
- Thread starter Mr Brightside
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I don't listen to it
I don't read it
But it gets sent to me by others and in my feeds on FB or Twitter
Anybody listening to this *smile*? Bashed us for an hour for asking for too much, now we should be EXTREMELY CONCERNED about the state of the list!
Quiz
Name someone on Sen who likes us??
Besides NBrown who on Channel 9 defends us?
Lloyd on 3aw the other night, he said he was really concerned about our list, how bad it is.
Ok. No chance erasing the word Richmond and replacing it with Essendon?
We are the most successful team in the last 10yrs.
Name someone on Sen who likes us??
Besides NBrown who on Channel 9 defends us?
Lloyd on 3aw the other night, he said he was really concerned about our list, how bad it is.
Ok. No chance erasing the word Richmond and replacing it with Essendon?
We are the most successful team in the last 10yrs.
I don’t ever remember such nonsense being put forward regarding trades and player movement. It’s like a media feeding frenzy and of course it had to revolve around what we were doing.
Where’s the vitriol over a fringe player like Noble and Collingwood’s demands?
Where’s the vitriol over a fringe player like Noble and Collingwood’s demands?
This AFL media situation is outrageous. Its makes Blairs already tough job much tougher. There are a few things going on:
1) Richmond hate. Been discussed to death elsewhere, it goes back decades and its measurable and real.
2) The AFL's closed shop, homogenous perspective boys-club media. They are, in the vast majority of cases, conflicted, scared, and not very bright. They are footy players, not political, economic and business analysts, but that doesn't stop them sticking their big fat ignorant 2 bobs worth in and then all nodding along.
3) We are in a totally unprecedented situation. We've just had a brutal relentless dynasty so the hate is fresh, and it looks like the stars have aligned for us to have expansion-club-like draft hand in a strong draft. They are jealous and shitting themselves we won't be down for long, and thankfully they have good reason.
All of this manifests in random ridiculous statements of what players are worth or what we should get, but more than that, and here is the frustrating compounding thing, these morons don't and won't consider each deal in isolation and on its merits because we have a lot of deals happening. There is this underlying stance that we don't need to get much on each given deals, because we'll end up with a lot of picks at the end. Or in other words, other sides should get a discount because we are having some kind of renovation sale.
Its the market, dummy. Imagine if a Chinese iron-ore customer took the stance that they should get a discount from BHP because they are selling a lot of it? Or wanted a discount because they got a premium off another customer? It beggars belief. The market is the market, value is value. They can all go and get stuffed. They are a pack of arse licking, brainless turds.
Value is never simple. There is 'real value' of what a player would be worth all things being equal, a hypothetical auction and every club can fit them into their salary cap etc. Then there is fair and reasonable compensation, what happens in the real world and dependent on a shipload of factors, talent, potential, CV, club needs, homesickness, salary cap, contract status, desired destination, available picks and more:
Based on this, IMO:
Rioli, real value: 1 top 10 pick, say pick 5. What should get and why:, 6 and a pick in the 20s. Its a premium, but not a big one, and that happens all the time in every market. Its based on GC desperately wanting him and pursuing him, contract, and the fact he's a star.
Shai, real value, 2 top 10 picks and a sweetener, say 5 and 10 and 30 What we should get and why. 10 and 11. Its close to the mark, he wants to go home, and most importantly, they have those picks. Its a bit of a discount for Freo, but that happens all the time, same as premiums above.
Bakes, real value: pick around 10, and it looks like we'll get close to that, which will be a good outcome considering his contract status and nomination.
Edit: On Shai, i think Bell's has a point that picks are worth more this draft due to quality and the Tassie spectre, but we are still too far apart. In other years 10 and 11 would be a big discount for Shai, this year its a smaller discount, but its still a discount.
1) Richmond hate. Been discussed to death elsewhere, it goes back decades and its measurable and real.
2) The AFL's closed shop, homogenous perspective boys-club media. They are, in the vast majority of cases, conflicted, scared, and not very bright. They are footy players, not political, economic and business analysts, but that doesn't stop them sticking their big fat ignorant 2 bobs worth in and then all nodding along.
3) We are in a totally unprecedented situation. We've just had a brutal relentless dynasty so the hate is fresh, and it looks like the stars have aligned for us to have expansion-club-like draft hand in a strong draft. They are jealous and shitting themselves we won't be down for long, and thankfully they have good reason.
All of this manifests in random ridiculous statements of what players are worth or what we should get, but more than that, and here is the frustrating compounding thing, these morons don't and won't consider each deal in isolation and on its merits because we have a lot of deals happening. There is this underlying stance that we don't need to get much on each given deals, because we'll end up with a lot of picks at the end. Or in other words, other sides should get a discount because we are having some kind of renovation sale.
Its the market, dummy. Imagine if a Chinese iron-ore customer took the stance that they should get a discount from BHP because they are selling a lot of it? Or wanted a discount because they got a premium off another customer? It beggars belief. The market is the market, value is value. They can all go and get stuffed. They are a pack of arse licking, brainless turds.
Value is never simple. There is 'real value' of what a player would be worth all things being equal, a hypothetical auction and every club can fit them into their salary cap etc. Then there is fair and reasonable compensation, what happens in the real world and dependent on a shipload of factors, talent, potential, CV, club needs, homesickness, salary cap, contract status, desired destination, available picks and more:
Based on this, IMO:
Rioli, real value: 1 top 10 pick, say pick 5. What should get and why:, 6 and a pick in the 20s. Its a premium, but not a big one, and that happens all the time in every market. Its based on GC desperately wanting him and pursuing him, contract, and the fact he's a star.
Shai, real value, 2 top 10 picks and a sweetener, say 5 and 10 and 30 What we should get and why. 10 and 11. Its close to the mark, he wants to go home, and most importantly, they have those picks. Its a bit of a discount for Freo, but that happens all the time, same as premiums above.
Bakes, real value: pick around 10, and it looks like we'll get close to that, which will be a good outcome considering his contract status and nomination.
Edit: On Shai, i think Bell's has a point that picks are worth more this draft due to quality and the Tassie spectre, but we are still too far apart. In other years 10 and 11 would be a big discount for Shai, this year its a smaller discount, but its still a discount.
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Spot on, its kind of remarkable how shock jock Cornes says something and the whole rest of the AFL media jumps on it despite its stupidity.
Good rant. Only comment Snake - The media hyperbole to fill in time won't have any impact to what Blair does.
It will have zero impact and he'll be taking no notice of it.
Dunno. Hope you're right, and you could be, or at least mostly right. But the media can and does have an impact on high profile public negotiations. There are big government and company departments, and consultancy firms wholey concerned with managing it.
But the important thing for me is there is nobody better than Blair to be prosecuting our interests.
2 issues- trades have to be a little bit fair- the AFL won't allow that trade.
And if Smith isn't traded his can either re-sign with the dogs or go to the draft. If he goes to the draft he can choose whether or not he enters the ND. Which he would, then hope no team uses an earlier pick for him and he gets to the Cats. Most clubs won't use a 1st rd pick for a player who doesn't want to play there.
Absolutely - but that is a long way off an AFL trade period where people like Cornes and Barratt sprout off.
Our outcome this trade period is purely down to us obtaining the best offer possible for contracted footballers. Then deciding if we accept it.
Media speculation won't change that.
Not a long way off, big money involved and a lot of people care and have a stake, exactly the same as business and politics. A lot of people say footy is business and politics.
Dunno about the "purely", the media can influence what the best offer is, and that in turn effects our decision.
Do you think Dimma cares about what Kane Cornes says and how it may influence what Gold Coast offer for Rioli?
Not a chance.
He and the GC list MgMnt committee will have delved into all sorts of data and experience to know his worth to them, and what the highest offer they'll go to is (given their circumstance).
What Josh Jenkins and other numpties say on AFL Trade radio (that will all be forgotten in a week) will have zero influence.
Imagine if Blair took the media into consideration when we offered pick 6 for Meatball.
You're giving too much credit for the worth experienced key leaders inside clubs give for mainstream clickbait media.
Hope so, and in most cases, most individual deals, you're probably right. But the overall consensus position can put pressure on a deal, and like it or not, clowns can affect the overall consensus.
But this isn't most cases, this is a big cluster of deals, as I said, its Richmond in an unprecedented position.
I've been involved in negotiations that were in the public eye. The media can have an impact. It tends to be when they push a particular line, and push it hard. And/ or if an interested party strategically uses the media to do that. And if the interested party (eg Freo), and the media interests align, it can be very hard to deal with. But I do agree that Blair is capable of dealing with it.
The afl endorsed media apparently have to qualify for their accreditation.
The first prerequisite isto be an absolute moron. To ensure this, candidates have to have a frontal lobotomy to ensure all brain cells are null and void and an empty shell is present and accounted for.
The second prerequisite is that this frontal lobotomy is renewed every 12 months to keep their moron accreditation valid..
The third prerequisite is to outdo fellow media morons by being competitive in media moronity.
This is one project that afl have succeeded and take great pride in.
The most moronic media contingent in world sport.
The media morons have even asked the Guinness Book Of World Records to come along and endorse them as such.
The GBOWR has replied, there isn’t anyone else close to the afl media moron contingent.
The *smile* wits can GAGF.
The first prerequisite isto be an absolute moron. To ensure this, candidates have to have a frontal lobotomy to ensure all brain cells are null and void and an empty shell is present and accounted for.
The second prerequisite is that this frontal lobotomy is renewed every 12 months to keep their moron accreditation valid..
The third prerequisite is to outdo fellow media morons by being competitive in media moronity.
This is one project that afl have succeeded and take great pride in.
The most moronic media contingent in world sport.
The media morons have even asked the Guinness Book Of World Records to come along and endorse them as such.
The GBOWR has replied, there isn’t anyone else close to the afl media moron contingent.
The *smile* wits can GAGF.
He probably should be, though, because if the Pies get 13 for Noble, they may very well make a play for his hero Houston. His other recent pearl was that we should look at signing Seb Ross and Tim Membrey. Why would we want a couple of washed up St Kilda spuds? In what way, shape or form would they help us? Maybe Membrey can go and elbow someone.
I think Karen may have read the story that Seb Ross has been appointed new coach of the Tigers and got confused.
The Colac Tigers that it.
Moron.
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