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Dimma's performance objectively viewed
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1eyedtiger said:
Sorry but I find this logic bizarre.
You're saying that a "bad club" in Carlton made "bad coaches" of Malthouse and Pagan, and that's it's therefore obvious that Richmond has made a bad coach of Hardwick.
What the?
Let's assume your logic is sound, which it isn't, not even remotely.
Malthouse and Pagan have proved themselves with flags. Where is your evidence that Hardwick is on the same level?
Baron Samedi said:
Oh yes, this whole 'proven' business yet again. Robert Walls anyone? Care to remind us how that turned out? With the list we had at the time and a 'proven' coach, we should have had a premiership or 3 in the bag. If proven coaches fail to perform at certain clubs, then the reason lies elsewhere within those clubs. Doesn't mean the coaches were bad.
Mate, people here can bag Dimma all they want. Fact is that many coaches have come to Richmond and failed in almost identical fashion. Wallace and Frawley came and went in almost identical fashion. If you still think that the coach is the main problem at Richmond, then like I said, we'll revisit this thread in a few years time. I'll just copy my responses and change the coach's name to suit. The rest will be the same.
What's bizarre is that people keep blaming to coach and belittle people who suggest that the problem is elsewhere. Maybe Dimma is a bad coach. But no point fixing the engine computer if you're not going to bother fixing the gearbox that has crapped itself.
1eyedtiger said:
So what you're saying is we're just a *smile* club.
Disagree.
Dimma was given every chance to succeed. He didn't.
Agree that RFC has been a very generous club over the past decade and a half giving their last 3 coaches a combined 16 years (!) to get it right. (So much for the "they eat their own" nonsense).Baron Samedi said:
Agree that Hardwick and football operations have been given more than enough time to shine and have come up well short under almost all on-field measurements. For many of us the writing was on the wall from 2013, then the Board goes and gives an unwarranted 2 year extension !
Better you reconsider BS, maybe we are just a hopeless club because we certainly haven't been ruthless towards failure.
The sticking point is the two year contract extension.
Was he going to be poached...I don't think so.
Did he deserve it after a third finals capitulation, remembering the folly of selections on the day, failure to kerb Waite, lack of moves...definite no!
So he was allowed to get comfortable and gave us the season from hell...with weekly pressers that went from sad to embarrassing to ludicrous to outright funny.
Compared to opposition (and apart from Rance, Cotchin,etc.) players looked skinny, under-done, dis-interested, unable to run hard and confused.
This must come back to the coach and he should be held accountable....not rewarded.
And here-in lies the reason for fans angst and anger.
A year wasted with possibly another to follow.
Was he going to be poached...I don't think so.
Did he deserve it after a third finals capitulation, remembering the folly of selections on the day, failure to kerb Waite, lack of moves...definite no!
So he was allowed to get comfortable and gave us the season from hell...with weekly pressers that went from sad to embarrassing to ludicrous to outright funny.
Compared to opposition (and apart from Rance, Cotchin,etc.) players looked skinny, under-done, dis-interested, unable to run hard and confused.
This must come back to the coach and he should be held accountable....not rewarded.
And here-in lies the reason for fans angst and anger.
A year wasted with possibly another to follow.
67 special said:
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but i feel we peaked in 2013 and that 2011-2013 were his best years.
I have mentioned on other threads that our KPI's (for me) plateaued or declined after 2013.
Percentage being the most important indicator closely followed by list profile/average age combined with percentage.
I dont see the 2014 season as a success (although it was fantastic to watch us storm home in the final 10 rounds)
I realy obviously saw tired structures and failings in development last year that would lead to this year.
I wonder what Vickery will achieve at Hawthorn and I wonder what Griffiths will achieve at RFC in the next 36 months. Ill be watching clsoely (sectretly hoping Hawthorn are done and Vickery is boarding a sinking ship).
The posting about his number of games coached versus finals played and won is a pretty objective insight isn't it? Take your point about objectivity generally across the various threads....most of it is opinion, some more informed than others......but as far as it's possible to be objective, it's found in the numbers.....and those numbers re games coached and finals won are hard to argue against.Go Toigs! said:
I just saw Dimma said the whole list should get medals .
NO. If you’re in the 22, on the winning side, on GF day, you get an AFL premiership medal.
Jack graham didn’t play, so he doesn’t get one.
That’s no matter how bad luck his story was.
Next think you’ll have geelong asking for a premiership cup because they tried hard and nearly got there.
NO. If you’re in the 22, on the winning side, on GF day, you get an AFL premiership medal.
Jack graham didn’t play, so he doesn’t get one.
That’s no matter how bad luck his story was.
Next think you’ll have geelong asking for a premiership cup because they tried hard and nearly got there.
That would seriously devalue the medal.
Players crave and protect them.
Next thing Ben miller has one just like Dusty’s.
If the club wants to recognise Graham, Ross, mcintosh Rance Higgins then they make a 2019 commemoration medal and present them at the B&F.
but the very people who created the Richmond way / man think the whole list should get 1
I’m not sold on everyone getting a medal. There’s such varying degrees.
So if I played a game in rd 1 and stunk it up and got dropped and spent the rest of the season in the VFL I get a medal. Not sure about that.
But...
If I played all the H&A games and the finals but got injured in the dying minutes of the prelim, yeah I can see that being worthy of a medal.
And then there’s everything in between. Tricky.
So if I played a game in rd 1 and stunk it up and got dropped and spent the rest of the season in the VFL I get a medal. Not sure about that.
But...
If I played all the H&A games and the finals but got injured in the dying minutes of the prelim, yeah I can see that being worthy of a medal.
And then there’s everything in between. Tricky.
