Dimma's performance objectively viewed

[Baron Samedi]

Good post Billy :hihi

Boy, what a mediocre club we have.

 

[TigerMasochist]

The objective of coaching is to make finals and win them.


154 games coached without winning a final. No other coach in VFL/AFL history has achieved this.

154 games coached and made only 3 finals. In the AFL era no one has coached more games and made less than 7 finals.

154 games coached without making a PF. In the AFL era no other coach has achieved this (even Bomber Thompson made one if you were wondering).

154 games coached without making a GF. Of the 37 coaches in VFL/AFL history with more games than Hardwick, only four failed to make a GF.

154 games coached with a winning record of 48.70%. In the AFL era only the illustrious Robert Walls has a worse record from more games. Every multiple premiership coach has a winning record better than 54% except Pagan and his was better than 54% before he went to Carlton.


Objective enough?

Hardwick has been given more opportunity to demonstrate success than any coach in the history of the game but no cigar.

So what's the problem? New world records being set all over the place, geez it's nice to be the best at something. Better at failure than ever before, we're definitely improving.

 

[yandb]

Hardwick is a good development coach but that is where it ends.

Hardwick gets his team to the finals and doesn't know how to coach at the next level.

This tragic story reminds you of the dog chasing cars, eventually he catches one and doesn't know what to do next.

 

[TigerMasochist]

This tragic story reminds you of the dog chasing cars, eventually he catches one and doesn't know what to do next.

Bites at the tyre n near gets his head ripped off. Plenty of tigers wishing to rip Dimma's head off at the moment.

 

[jb03]

Awesome stats Billy. Hardwick will only extend those stats from here. At least he will become a benchmark for terrible coaches in the future.

 

[TigerFurious]

The objective of coaching is to make finals and win them.


154 games coached without winning a final. No other coach in VFL/AFL history has achieved this.

154 games coached and made only 3 finals. In the AFL era no one has coached more games and made less than 7 finals.

154 games coached without making a PF. In the AFL era no other coach has achieved this (even Bomber Thompson made one if you were wondering).

154 games coached without making a GF. Of the 37 coaches in VFL/AFL history with more games than Hardwick, only four failed to make a GF.

154 games coached with a winning record of 48.70%. In the AFL era only the illustrious Robert Walls has a worse record from more games. Every multiple premiership coach has a winning record better than 54% except Pagan and his was better than 54% before he went to Carlton.


Objective enough?

Hardwick has been given more opportunity to demonstrate success than any coach in the history of the game but no cigar.

Great work BJ.

I would pay good money to see someone stand up at the next AGM (or EGM depending on how things go) and read this out to the board.

 

[easy_tiger]

The objective of coaching is to make finals and win them.


154 games coached without winning a final. No other coach in VFL/AFL history has achieved this.

154 games coached and made only 3 finals. In the AFL era no one has coached more games and made less than 7 finals.

154 games coached without making a PF. In the AFL era no other coach has achieved this (even Bomber Thompson made one if you were wondering).

154 games coached without making a GF. Of the 37 coaches in VFL/AFL history with more games than Hardwick, only four failed to make a GF.

154 games coached with a winning record of 48.70%. In the AFL era only the illustrious Robert Walls has a worse record from more games. Every multiple premiership coach has a winning record better than 54% except Pagan and his was better than 54% before he went to Carlton.


Objective enough?

Hardwick has been given more opportunity to demonstrate success than any coach in the history of the game but no cigar.

are you saying Hardwick is the worst AFL coach in history? (genuine question)

 

[bullus_hit]

Brutally honest assessment BJ and to keep him on would only compound our mid table misery.

 

[Harry]

The objective of coaching is to make finals and win them.


154 games coached without winning a final. No other coach in VFL/AFL history has achieved this.

154 games coached and made only 3 finals. In the AFL era no one has coached more games and made less than 7 finals.

154 games coached without making a PF. In the AFL era no other coach has achieved this (even Bomber Thompson made one if you were wondering).

154 games coached without making a GF. Of the 37 coaches in VFL/AFL history with more games than Hardwick, only four failed to make a GF.

154 games coached with a winning record of 48.70%. In the AFL era only the illustrious Robert Walls has a worse record from more games. Every multiple premiership coach has a winning record better than 54% except Pagan and his was better than 54% before he went to Carlton.


Objective enough?

Hardwick has been given more opportunity to demonstrate success than any coach in the history of the game but no cigar.

Yeah but none of those coaches had a list as bad as Universities (besides Universities coaches) By the way how do Universities coaches rank against Hardwicks record?

 

[22nd Man]

Yeah but none of those coaches had a list as bad as Universities (besides Universities coaches) By the way how do Universities coaches rank against Hardwicks record?

That's an acedemic question.

 

[Puntrd64]

That's an acedemic question.

Uni Coaches got a first at coming last

 

[Bill James]

Yeah but none of those coaches had a list as bad as Universities (besides Universities coaches) By the way how do Universities coaches rank against Hardwicks record?

No coach in the history of the University Football Club ever lost a final. Damien has both of them well covered.

 

[TigersYellowAndBlack]

The players not being up for game day is cultural. We have the wrong captain (ie, we don't have anyone good, maybe Jack aside, and he will never get picked because he is no good at groupthought) and rubbish player leadership. The strategic bit though, he is pisweak. Development likewise. He is a good bloke (which helped greatly to get us out of the doldrums), but we need a ruthless leader now. I think I'm tired of conservative, I'm tired of aiming for average and stable. It's time to aim for the top, and damn the torpedoes.

Funny thing is ... Torpedos take you to the bottom....

 

[67 special]

The objective of coaching is to make finals and win them.


154 games coached without winning a final. No other coach in VFL/AFL history has achieved this.

154 games coached and made only 3 finals. In the AFL era no one has coached more games and made less than 7 finals.

154 games coached without making a PF. In the AFL era no other coach has achieved this (even Bomber Thompson made one if you were wondering).

154 games coached without making a GF. Of the 37 coaches in VFL/AFL history with more games than Hardwick, only four failed to make a GF.

154 games coached with a winning record of 48.70%. In the AFL era only the illustrious Robert Walls has a worse record from more games. Every multiple premiership coach has a winning record better than 54% except Pagan and his was better than 54% before he went to Carlton.


Objective enough?

Hardwick has been given more opportunity to demonstrate success than any coach in the history of the game but no cigar.

those numbers are damning.....and probably tell us all we need to know.

 

[tigertim]

And seeing we wont be playing finals in 2017 that figures of 154 will be 176 in 12 months time......

 

[1eyedtiger]

154 games coached with a winning record of 48.70%. In the AFL era only the illustrious Robert Walls has a worse record from more games. Every multiple premiership coach has a winning record better than 54% except Pagan and his was better than 54% before he went to Carlton.

Interesting statistic there with Pagan. Which one again begs the question of where the fault actually lies at Richmond and how to fix it. Many here suggest Dimma will not be a premiership coach at Richmond, some have gone further and said he won't be a premiership coach anywhere. But here we have Pagan, whose results at different clubs were night and day. If Pagan had started his coaching career at Carlton, they would have been saying the same things about him as we do about Dimma. Would you say Pagan was the problem at Carllton? From my viewpoint, I'd say given Pagan's prior success the problem was elsewhere within Carlton. Like it or not, Richmond is very much in the same boat. Dimma is only a small part of the problem.

I'm not saying that Dimma shouldn't be shown the door, but unless they fix the other issues, changing coaches is going to do nothing. Right now, I see very little difference between Dimma, Wallace and even Frawley. Richmond is like an abattoir for AFL coaches.

 

[Baron Samedi]

Interesting statistic there with Pagan. Which one again begs the question of where the fault actually lies at Richmond and how to fix it. Many here suggest Dimma will not be a premiership coach at Richmond, some have gone further and said he won't be a premiership coach anywhere. But here we have Pagan, whose results at different clubs were night and day. If Pagan had started his coaching career at Carlton, they would have been saying the same things about him as we do about Dimma. Would you say Pagan was the problem at Carllton? From my viewpoint, I'd say given Pagan's prior success the problem was elsewhere within Carlton. Like it or not, Richmond is very much in the same boat. Dimma is only a small part of the problem.

I'm not saying that Dimma shouldn't be shown the door, but unless they fix the other issues, changing coaches is going to do nothing. Right now, I see very little difference between Dimma, Wallace and even Frawley. Richmond is like an abattoir for AFL coaches.

This logic doesn't wash at all.

Club is in pretty good shape apart from the footy dept.

Hardwick is just a poor tactical coach. Don't care of he would be more successful with a different team (I doubt it very much).

Fact is he's failed with this one.

 

[Scoop]

The objective of coaching is to make finals and win them.


154 games coached without winning a final. No other coach in VFL/AFL history has achieved this.

154 games coached and made only 3 finals. In the AFL era no one has coached more games and made less than 7 finals.

154 games coached without making a PF. In the AFL era no other coach has achieved this (even Bomber Thompson made one if you were wondering).

154 games coached without making a GF. Of the 37 coaches in VFL/AFL history with more games than Hardwick, only four failed to make a GF.

154 games coached with a winning record of 48.70%. In the AFL era only the illustrious Robert Walls has a worse record from more games. Every multiple premiership coach has a winning record better than 54% except Pagan and his was better than 54% before he went to Carlton.


Objective enough?

Hardwick has been given more opportunity to demonstrate success than any coach in the history of the game but no cigar.

Hard to argue against.

 

[1eyedtiger]

This logic doesn't wash at all.

Club is in pretty good shape apart from the footy dept.

Hardwick is just a poor tactical coach. Don't care of he would be more successful with a different team (I doubt it very much).

Fact is he's failed with this one.

Pagan was a good coach. Malthouse was a good coach. They didn't suddenly become bad coaches by going to Carlton. They went from good clubs to a bad club. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out. Richmond has failed Dimma more than Dimma has failed Richmond. But hey, it's all the coach's fault. I'll dig this up in a few years time when the next coach arrives at the chopping block.

 

[Dev Tiger]

Dimma has survived longer than any other coach in history without a finals win and the club extended him by a further two years. That either means they view making elimination finals and loosing them as a success or that those around him are particularly useless.

I think it shows how used to mediocrity the club has become. There would be no way Hawthorn would let a coach survive that long without a finals win. They set the bar very low at Punt Road.