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MD Jazz said:
Hope Renshaw gets another crack. A lot more rounded/confident player now.

Please no to Agar, I'd rather Head/Marnus/Smith make up the overs.

Green shouldn't play IMO.
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Handscombe would have to be a shot.
Looking at the pitches Swepson would also be worth a go.
Agree on Agar.
 
tigerdell said:
That used to be the case. Last series some very odd pitches.
Was it Lords very green when Archer was on fire?
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I think so. From memory though, that was due to a whole heap of unseasonable rain in the run up to the test
 
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I don't have a problem with countries preparing pitches to suit themselves, I think that's part of touring and the home ground advantage.

Where I think the game has to draw the line though is specifically altering parts of the pitch to target certain individuals or advantage others.
 
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The Big Richo said:
I don't have a problem with countries preparing pitches to suit themselves, I think that's part of touring and the home ground advantage.

Where I think the game has to draw the line though is specifically altering parts of the pitch to target certain individuals or advantage others.
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Without a doubt. If for example you know someone has a bunch of offies and you have leggies, then doctoring the pitch to benefit that is fairly easy you'd think
 
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mrposhman said:
Without a doubt. If for example you know someone has a bunch of offies and you have leggies, then doctoring the pitch to benefit that is fairly easy you'd think
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Which is what looks like is happening here. Australia has a heap of left handers so they are giving Ashwin the ability to hit dry, rough outside their off stump.

Lyon bowling to right handers will be hitting grass.
 
Even moreso Jadeja who will bring it back into the left handers from the rough.
 
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mrposhman said:
Bit harsh on England there spook. I don't think we've ever really doctored pitchs away from what suits Australia. Its more so the climate is different.

I could easily argue it the other way. Australia makes hard, fast dry wickets as they know that bowlers from England don't suit it, but thats no really true. Its the heat that bakes the wicket to make it as hard as they are.

Likewise England isn't as hot and is wetter, so the wickets tend to retain a bit more grass and therefore aren't as hard, ie. less bouncy and susceptible to more seam movement and swing through the air.

Its why England develops more swing bowlers than truly quick bowlers, because that express pace doesn't swing.

Its a silly argument (and an arrogant one) to blame other countries when the wicket doesn't suit your bowlers perfectly.

Seemed to work well for Glenn McGrath (who wasn't express pace), his average was better in England than it was in Australia.
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Ha! No greentops in England?? (I am always harsh on England btw. It's in the blood.)

Australian pitches are hard and fast because Australia is hot and dry.
 
spook said:
Ha! No greentops in England?? (I am always harsh on England btw. It's in the blood.)

Australian pitches are hard and fast because Australia is hot and dry.
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Exactly. England is colder and wetter hence why the pitches are softer and have more green on them. Its part of parcel of the climate. You can't expect English pitches to have no green on them. If they do, then they are usually those boring dull and lifeless ones where both teams score 600 on it in their 1st innings, and is usually because they remain covered for too long and have been rolled too much
 
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Exactly. England is colder and wetter hence why the pitches are softer and have more green on them. Its part of parcel of the climate. You can't expect English pitches to have no green on them. If they do, then they are usually those boring dull and lifeless ones where both teams score 600 on it in their 1st innings, and is usually because they remain covered for too long and have been rolled too much
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They have mowers in England, don't they?
 
Also sounds like Murphy and Handscomb are both firming to play ahead of Agar and Renshaw.

www.espncricinfo.com

Handscomb and Murphy close in on a place in Australia's XI against India

Pat Cummins won't reveal the make up of his team until the toss in Nagpur
www.espncricinfo.com www.espncricinfo.com

This also shows the value of Starc and why we'll need him through the series. Not just for his wicket taking ability but to create footmarks for Lyon and possibly Murphy to bowl into against India's right hand batting lineup.
 
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mrposhman said:
Bit harsh on England there spook. I don't think we've ever really doctored pitchs away from what suits Australia. Its more so the climate is different.

I could easily argue it the other way. Australia makes hard, fast dry wickets as they know that bowlers from England don't suit it, but thats no really true. Its the heat that bakes the wicket to make it as hard as they are.

Likewise England isn't as hot and is wetter, so the wickets tend to retain a bit more grass and therefore aren't as hard, ie. less bouncy and susceptible to more seam movement and swing through the air.

Its why England develops more swing bowlers than truly quick bowlers, because that express pace doesn't swing.

Its a silly argument (and an arrogant one) to blame other countries when the wicket doesn't suit your bowlers perfectly.

Seemed to work well for Glenn McGrath (who wasn't express pace), his average was better in England than it was in Australia.
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Interesting observations I made in England too about the game at the grass roots level. That concrete and/or synthetic pitches are quite rare. A bit more common now. But not traditionally a really a big part of the game as far as I could tell. Is that right Posh?

I explained to English friends who lived in rural Cambridgeshire (a hot bed of village cricket) that at the lower levels, in Australia, we all grew up learning the game on concrete and/or synthetic wickets. Only if you got to a reasonable level were you privileged enough to then get a game on a turf wicket. Maybe a bit different if you are at elite private schools. But certainly not for public school kids and junior club cricketers where I grew up. Cambridgeshire folk seemed quite surprised.

This perhaps also influences the types of players we produce from the very formative years. Concrete and synthetic wickets create a lot of speed and consistent, true bounce. But don’t offer much variation (apart from one high school we used to play against, where their 40YO concrete pitch had so many cracks in it, it was more dangerous than Sabina Park). I can only imagine playing at the lowest levels in England, on pitches that just don’t have the budget to be really well prepared, what *smile* they are playing on. Balls must be skidding past at ankle bone height, losing quite a few yards of speed as they hit the deck.
 
Correct. synthetic wickets are an absolute rarity in England.

The only incorrect component of your post was around the ball going past at ankle height. Quite the opposite on most pitches.

Some you couldn't tell the pitch from the outfield and a wily 50 y.o bowling cutters off a length would be near unplayable. Certainly impossible to drive unless it was a half volley.
 
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