Coronavirus

[AngryAnt]

So you don't see any potential bias in that article? Who wrote it and why? Who are the 47 economists and what are their biases?

You can read articles by Gigi Foster that will argue the opposite.

Stop this human sacrifice: the case against lockdowns

Governments must consider the total welfare of their people when contemplating action as drastic as a lockdown. An economist argues the NSW government has not demonstrated that the benefits outweigh the costs.

www.smh.com.au

I'm sure I could find a stack of other articles by qualified economists arguing against the lockdowns and the cost of them.

Its kinda moot really, we can't change it.

I reckon there's a wealth of PhD topics in this for the next 20 years.

One thing is for sure, diminishing returns in lockdowns as the % of vaxxed people grows.

 

[AngryAnt]

Black market fake certificates have already started. I reckon it will get to the point where retail & services won't care as long as they get their sale.

Of course and unfair to expect them to police it.

 

[MD Jazz]

Black market fake certificates have already started. I reckon it will get to the point where retail & services won't care as long as they get their sale.

How does one verify their authenticity? I've seen a fake one and cannot tell the difference.

Ultimately the punishment for those may be a dose of covid if they use them to get out more

 

[MD Jazz]

I reckon there's a wealth of PhD topics in this for the next 20 years.

One thing is for sure, diminishing returns in lockdowns as the % of vaxxed people grows.

Yeh, it will be an academics paradise. And reckon you'll have some very smart and well qualified people argue opposite views using the same data.

 

[DavidSSS]

How does one verify their authenticity? I've seen a fake one and cannot tell the difference.

Ultimately the punishment for those may be a dose of covid if they use them to get out more

The only way I can see to avoid fakes is to insist on people signing in using the State Government app which pulls the vax certificate from the Medicare Express app. I figure you can't link a fake vax certificate to the State Govt app. Doubt this would be enforced as venues will understandably want vax checks to be quick and easy so will accept just a pic of the certificate on your phone.

I doubt there will be many who try to fake the certificates anyway. Why bother, the vaccines have gone into billions of people with very few side effects, they are safe and effective, plus, they're free.

DS

 

[artball]

The only way I can see to avoid fakes is to insist on people signing in using the State Government app which pulls the vax certificate from the Medicare Express app. I figure you can't link a fake vax certificate to the State Govt app. Doubt this would be enforced as venues will understandably want vax checks to be quick and easy so will accept just a pic of the certificate on your phone.

I doubt there will be many who try to fake the certificates anyway. Why bother, the vaccines have gone into billions of people with very few side effects, they are safe and effective, plus, they're free.

DS

had to go to Sydney for family business this week.. Every place i entered there was somebody at the door checking that I'd checked in on the State Govt App and asked to see the Vax Cert which was linked. This was in a variety of places.

I didn't go into pubs, etc. Walked past a very crowded one last night and it was a little scary to see.
People at an open air market yesterday maybe 20% had masks on. I didn't go in, held my breath and walked quickly past.

 

[Redford]

had to go to Sydney for family business this week.. Every place i entered there was somebody at the door checking that I'd checked in on the State Govt App and asked to see the Vax Cert which was linked. This was in a variety of places.

I didn't go into pubs, etc. Walked past a very crowded one last night and it was a little scary to see.
People at an open air market yesterday maybe 20% had masks on. I didn't go in, held my breath and walked quickly past.

Interesting, watching the golf live from Japan. They have a full vax rate of about 73% and have only about 250/300 cases per day the last few days in the entire country. But every single person in the gallery is wearing a mask.

Confidence is going to take a while for a lot of people I think.

 

[TigerMasochist]

Absolutely sure the "economy" would have been a hell of a lot better off if the incompetent Federal Lib/Nat Government had not completely stuffed up getting vaccines on time.



We would have got out of lockdowns way faster if not for the incompetence of the Federal government, it really is that simple.

DS

Considering no-one had any stockpile of vaccine n the virus tearing through the U.K. Europe n the U.S.A. at the time I doubt there would have been any vaccines available early for Aust. considering we had virtually no cases by comparison to most of the rest of the world. I'm not certain of the details, but it was on one of the news reports that we got started in getting our initial supplies of vaccine within two weeks of Singapore receiving there's even though we'd ordered three months after them. We weren't actually on the urgent supply list of the manufacturers because they simply had way bigger n much more urgent needs to deal with.

 

[RoarEmotion]

There are people out there who think they can catch it from vaccinated people who don't have it!

This sounds like x-files.

 

[TigerMasochist]

Ranting about cooties ( which is actually the slang name for head lice) and blaming Dan for everything is a simplistic response to a massively complicated set of problems.

Cooties, nits, head lice are collectively termed as bugs. Some illnesses n flu virus which is also a corona virus variation n even computer viruses are also collectively termed as bugs. Happy for you to call them whatever you like, I'll just roll along n call bugs cooties or maybe the coroner virus as the mood takes me.
Perhaps I might even start calling politicians cooties as well, seeing as most of them are nothing but low life blood sucking parasites n parasites are simply another form of bug.

 

[RoarEmotion]

TM you are free to call it what you want. As a reader of it it makes me think you minimise it by calling it something you would label someone with at primary school to mock them (for kissing a girl perhaps).

It minimises your message as you have some good points to make but you do yourself a disservice IMO as I think of your message as coming from said child.

 

[AngryAnt]

Cooties, nits, head lice are collectively termed as bugs. Some illnesses n flu virus which is also a corona virus variation n even computer viruses are also collectively termed as bugs. Happy for you to call them whatever you like, I'll just roll along n call bugs cooties or maybe the coroner virus as the mood takes me.
Perhaps I might even start calling politicians cooties as well, seeing as most of them are nothing but low life blood sucking parasites n parasites are simply another form of bug.

Nope, faults in software are called bugs, computer viruses aren't called bugs. If I read your posts on this topic I generally find a fact-free zone of ranting and childish names for everything.

If you have something worthwhile to say, say it, all I've seen you ever post is "bla bla corona-cooties" and "all politicians and public service workers suck".

Read it 50 times mate. Come up with some new material.

 

[Sintiger]

Cooties, nits, head lice are collectively termed as bugs. Some illnesses n flu virus which is also a corona virus variation n even computer viruses are also collectively termed as bugs. Happy for you to call them whatever you like, I'll just roll along n call bugs cooties or maybe the coroner virus as the mood takes me.
Perhaps I might even start calling politicians cooties as well, seeing as most of them are nothing but low life blood sucking parasites n parasites are simply another form of bug.

This thread has been one of the most respectful, educational and collaborative threads I have seen on this site. It’s been a pleasure to share our views, many and varied as they are, as we all struggle to make sense of what has happened.
Your posts generally don’t fit that mood. Whilst your are free to call the virus what you like others are equally free to call you out for it.

 

[artball]

Interesting, watching the golf live from Japan. They have a full vax rate of about 73% and have only about 250/300 cases per day the last few days in the entire country. But every single person in the gallery is wearing a mask.

Confidence is going to take a while for a lot of people I think.

was up at Chatswood for a bit, which is predominately Asian and almost everyone had a mask on.. they've always been aware, even prior to Covid, of other peoples health ..

 

[eZyT]

How does one verify their authenticity?

like you say, a fake certificate wont fool the virus.

#fightforyourrighttodiealoneinaplastictent

 

[TigerMasochist]

Nope, faults in software are called bugs, computer viruses aren't called bugs. If I read your posts on this topic I generally find a fact-free zone of ranting and childish names for everything.

If you have something worthwhile to say, say it, all I've seen you ever post is "bla bla corona-cooties" and "all politicians and public service workers suck".

Read it 50 times mate. Come up with some new material.

Put it on ignore n save yourself having to constantly *smile* n moan at me. make your day a happier one.

 

[Bunnerz]

Mask watch today (regional Vic)
At supermarket id say 95% which is good.

However 33.333% still wearing it wrong with nose or mouth showing, or it hanging around chin.

Says a lot about us as a country really.

 

[AngryAnt]

Put it on ignore n save yourself having to constantly *smile* n moan at me. make your day a happier one.

Read the room dude

 

[Redford]

This isn’t good. Boosters critical.


UK doctors warn of a dire Covid crisis as officials reject restrictions
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/22/uk-...are|com.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard

 

[MD Jazz]

This isn’t good. Boosters critical.


UK doctors warn of a dire Covid crisis as officials reject restrictions
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/22/uk-covid-doctors-warn-of-crisis-as-officials-reject-restrictions.html?__source=iosappshare|com.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard

Yeh, and people thinking that they can behave like covid doesn't exist anymore because they are vaccinated. Apparently a large number of new infections in Vic is in the under 30's (as you predicted).

There has to be continued messaging about the risks. Young people are gonna be passing it on to their parents/grandparents. Id hate the guilt associated with knowing you'd played a part in the death of your nan or pop.