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Ian4 said:
again, the media have got it the wrong way around. They keep talking about the reaction of anti-vaxxers if they are rejected from businesses.

But what about the reaction of pro-vaxxers like myself? I won’t be frequenting any businesses that turns a blind eye to checking the vaccine status of customers. Modelling is predicting multiple thousands of cases per day by Xmas. When we reach that point, many people will be questioning whether or not it is worthwhile going to the local for a pint. And they will wanna know if their local is a safe place to visit.

In addition, COVID is now a worksafe issue. So if businesses are breaking the rules, then they could be fined or shutdown. After 18 months being in and out of lockdown, do they really wanna risk this?
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Does the checking of passports apply to community organisations? Kiss your cricket club goodbye, the Probus group, the chess club? What volunteer organisation will want to take on the liability of covid screening? Will any (affordable) insurance policy protect volunteer office bearers.
 
22nd Man said:
Does the checking of passports apply to community organisations? Kiss your cricket club goodbye, the Probus group, the chess club? What volunteer organisation will want to take on the liability of covid screening? Will any (affordable) insurance policy protect volunteer office bearers.
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It would be easy to apply for those organisations. You have to pay your subs before you get a game at many clubs, simple proof of vax status will take 5 seconds.
 
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22nd Man said:
Does the checking of passports apply to community organisations? Kiss your cricket club goodbye, the Probus group, the chess club? What volunteer organisation will want to take on the liability of covid screening? Will any (affordable) insurance policy protect volunteer office bearers.
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do you know how easy it is to create your own Services Victoria QR code? My retired mum runs a part time mattress business (as a hobby) out of a storage unit. She was able to create one herself. And she’s not the most computer literate person in the world.
 
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22nd Man said:
re testing .... there is drive in (non govt) site on Blackburn Road Mt Waverley near the freeway entry..... Never more than 3 cars,... and as you can go outside your 15km ring for a TEST (reason number 2) then you get to and from anywhere in Metro Melbourne rather then wait two hours in a line. And if you are like me driving anywhere these days seems like freedom (and I don't "like" driving simply in itself)
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Anecdotal but today this site had a queue of 40 cars mid morning and about the same just now .... there was a spike last Monday too, ..... is there a weekly testing regime in place ? Or just reflects the spread of cases into the east? My brother said ABC news ran a segment last night that Monash and Whitehorse had both spiked on back on GF parties.
 
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Does the checking of passports apply to community organisations? Kiss your cricket club goodbye, the Probus group, the chess club? What volunteer organisation will want to take on the liability of covid screening? Will any (affordable) insurance policy protect volunteer office bearers.
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What volunteer organisation wants to take on the risk of someone catching COVID from an unvaccinated member of the organisation?

DS
 
22nd Man said:
Anecdotal but today this site had a queue of 40 cars mid morning and about the same just now .... there was a spike last Monday too, ..... is there a weekly testing regime in place ? Or just reflects the spread of cases into the east? My brother said ABC news ran a segment last night that Monash and Whitehorse had both spiked on back on GF parties.
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I wonder if the spike in the Casey region is also due to GF parties, being as Melbourne are affiliated with the Casey Demons.
 
Ian4 said:
again, the media have got it the wrong way around. They keep talking about the reaction of anti-vaxxers if they are rejected from businesses.

But what about the reaction of pro-vaxxers like myself? I won’t be frequenting any businesses that turns a blind eye to checking the vaccine status of customers. Modelling is predicting multiple thousands of cases per day by Xmas. When we reach that point, many people will be questioning whether or not it is worthwhile going to the local for a pint. And they will wanna know if their local is a safe place to visit.

In addition, COVID is now a worksafe issue. So if businesses are breaking the rules, then they could be fined or shutdown. After 18 months being in and out of lockdown, do they really wanna risk this?
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There is another issue that will have to be dealt with. What does a business do when an unvaccinated person with a legitimate medical exemption wants to come back to work? Those working with that person will quite legitimately not want to risk working with an unvaccinated work colleague.
It's a difficult one because noone is in the wrong
 
Sintiger said:
There is another issue that will have to be dealt with. What does a business do when an unvaccinated person with a legitimate medical exemption wants to come back to work? Those working with that person will quite legitimately not want to risk working with an unvaccinated work colleague.
It's a difficult one because noone is in the wrong
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True, but as that article in The Age a week or two ago stated - almost no-one needs a medical exemption to all of the vaccines available.

Th first thing I would do as an employer would be to send them to another doctor for a second opinion. I'd also be asking on what grounds they claim the medical exemption, there is plenty of absolute rubbish being thrown around as reasons people claim they can't get vaccinated. Just as an example, my partner's brother has epilepsy, MS and recently had a fall and now has some dementia. He went and got the vax quickly because of his health issues. Most people with medical conditions need to be vaccinated as soon as possible, not avoid getting vaccinated.

DS
 
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DavidSSS said:
True, but as that article in The Age a week or two ago stated - almost no-one needs a medical exemption to all of the vaccines available.

Th first thing I would do as an employer would be to send them to another doctor for a second opinion. I'd also be asking on what grounds they claim the medical exemption, there is plenty of absolute rubbish being thrown around as reasons people claim they can't get vaccinated. Just as an example, my partner's brother has epilepsy, MS and recently had a fall and now has some dementia. He went and got the vax quickly because of his health issues. Most people with medical conditions need to be vaccinated as soon as possible, not avoid getting vaccinated.

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David I do work associated with public health and in that area a medical exemption has to be from a specialist in a clinic at a hospital not from a GP. Estimates are that something like 1 in 2000 or so will meet the criteria set for legitimate medical exemptions. More than 100,000 people work in our public hospital system in the state which means about 50 people only will be eligible.

That being said there will be some who will so the issue I noted will occur, although quite rarely.
 
Updated numbers per LGA today. More focus needs to now go to the Yarra City and Melbourne urgently. Once we are open a huge amount of foot traffic will be going through these areas close to the beach, MCG and events. Really need local leaders to step up here.

Regional Victoria despite being less impacted with being in lockdown lite has a lot higher vaccination records. This is not what I thought would happen 6 months ago.

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Sintiger said:
David I do work associated with public health and in that area a medical exemption has to be from a specialist in a clinic at a hospital not from a GP. Estimates are that something like 1 in 2000 or so will meet the criteria set for legitimate medical exemptions. More than 100,000 people work in our public hospital system in the state which means about 50 people only will be eligible.

That being said there will be some who will so the issue I noted will occur, although quite rarely.
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Yeah, I wasn't thinking the health care industry, more the stories in the newspapers about workers in many other industries getting exemptions. It seems there are some GPs who are willing to just give these out.

For some unknown reason some people want to get an exemption and expose themselves to the virus with no protection, oh well, their funeral.

DS
 
DavidSSS said:
Yeah, I wasn't thinking the health care industry, more the stories in the newspapers about workers in many other industries getting exemptions. It seems there are some GPs who are willing to just give these out.

For some unknown reason some people want to get an exemption and expose themselves to the virus with no protection, oh well, their funeral.

DS
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The amusing anti-vaxxers are those that tell you they have a pre-existing condition and would rather not get vaccinated because they've read the vaccine could be riskier for them. When pushed on what specifics risks, it's normally an "in general" statement that the vaccine could be riskier.

Quite frankly, if you have a pre-existing condition, that's the reason to queue jump / bribe / *smile* your way to the front of the vaccination line to get your jabs.
 
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DavidSSS said:
Yeah, I wasn't thinking the health care industry, more the stories in the newspapers about workers in many other industries getting exemptions. It seems there are some GPs who are willing to just give these out.

For some unknown reason some people want to get an exemption and expose themselves to the virus with no protection, oh well, their funeral.

DS
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Many GPs give out medical certificates incredibly easily so they will probably do the same with medical exemptions for vaccinations, which is why health employers are not accepting them
 
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Can we put all the anti vaxxers in a squid games type of deal, they win the game they dont need the jab.
Ones that lose, get sprayed with covid
 
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MB78 said:
I’m very encouraged by the below. The Melbourne CBD and the Greens strongholds in the Yarra City Council need to be the next or else that is where the next huge outbreaks will be.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1447388927459880960
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I think tomorrow will be the first day since the end of August that the 7 day average will go down. It might go up again for the next day or two, then hopefully the trend will start to head downwards.

The rate of increase of the 7 day average has been slowing since around the 5th October, after the "grand final spike". Once the increase becomes a decrease, the 7 day average will probably (hopefully) halve every 3 weeks, based on a combination of NSW figures, and Victorian from figures last year.
 
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Born_a_Tiger78 said:
I think tomorrow will be the first day since the end of August that the 7 day average will go down. It might go up again for the next day or two, then hopefully the trend will start to head downwards.

The rate of increase of the 7 day average has been slowing since around the 5th October, after the "grand final spike". Once the increase becomes a decrease, the 7 day average will probably (hopefully) halve every 3 weeks, based on a combination of NSW figures, and Victorian from figures last year.
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Looking better but needs to be lower than 1377.

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